Elliott's Yard, Ontario in 1993

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

What about Dirk and Stefans Fox, didn't it come from Elliots as well?

Dirk's first Fox came from Elliots indeed, it was later sold on to Paul Visser after Dirk found a better Fox in Belgium.

Paul had to spend a lot of time searching for the missing parts.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Dirk's first Fox came from Elliots indeed, it was later sold on to Paul Visser after Dirk found a better Fox in Belgium.

Aha; I did't know Dirk's FOX cam from Belgium, I always assumed both Dirk and Paul's Foxes came from Elliots.

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

It is a testament to all the hard work that has gone into this truck. Well done Alex

One should know that every component and part had to be restored as the truck had such a hard life - even the chassis was extensively modified.

Thanks Hanno. Still a lot of work to do though! Hopefully I have the spirit back again soon.

[Brian Gough]

Ed and Bruce,

that wrecking yard near Niagara Falls was owned by John Horosko who at one time had 2 Fox and 2 Otters. Where they went and a whole lot more of the story from 1984 can be found in the article "History Relived in Canada" (the Gregg Canadian Collection) in Wheels & Tracks #7 pages 8-13. The article can be read here:

- edit: link to full issue deleted & replaced by link to copy of article only: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QdS...ew?usp=sharing

Reading it again reminds me of the great work that Bart Vanderveen did for the HMV hobby. We are also fortunate on the MLU Forum to have several active contributors from those early days.

Brian

[Ed Storey]

Brian, nice to see a pdf copy of WT No. 7 posted to the forum, but I believe that doing so is a breach in copyright with ATB Publications who were the publisher and are still in business.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

Brian, nice to see a pdf copy of WT No. 7 posted to the forum, but I believe that doing so is a breach in copyright with ATB Publications who were the publisher and are still in business.

Would this not be a legitimate exemption as in Sec.29 of the Copyright Act?

Copyright Act (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-42)
Exceptions
Fair Dealing
Marginal note:Research, private study, etc.

29 Fair dealing for the purpose of research, private study, education, parody or satire does not infringe copyright.

[Ed Storey]

Originally Posted by Bruce Parker

Would this not be a legitimate exemption as in Sec.29 of the Copyright Act?

Copyright Act (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-42)
Exceptions
Fair Dealing
Marginal note:Research, private study, etc.

29 Fair dealing for the purpose of research, private study, education, parody or satire does not infringe copyright.

Yes, but this does not mean that you can scan a whole publication, then download it to a forum in which anyone can then access the document and copy it for free. Scanning and posting selected segments, for private study, research etc is acceptable. Giving credit to the source is always nice as well.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

Yes, but this does not mean that you can scan a whole publication, then download it to a forum in which anyone can then access the document and copy it for free. Scanning and posting selected segments, for private study, research etc is acceptable. Giving credit to the source is always nice as well.

I agree credit would be nice, though it clearly is Wheels and Tracks. There is no profit, I consider it for research and the Copyright Act is silent on what portion or portions may be made available (who's to say something in the rest of the publication isn't invaluable in putting context to the research or study being done?). Where this gets murkier is where something is published. The Canadian federal Copyright Act starts down this path but acknowledges what's outside of Canada can't rightly be enforced, just 'persuaded' and injunctions at the pleasure of some other location. I dealt with some of this first hand when I was part of an organization having to sort out what happens when provincial legislation compels someone to do something that is against the federal act. It was never really settled as both sides ran out of will and money to decide it.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Good points re. copyright infringement and the fact that electronic copies are now available. Neither Brian nor MLU Forum copied and published that issue of Wheels & Tracks, Brian merely provided a link to a site which is hosting a pdf-copy of it.

However, to prevent a possible legal conundrum I have edited Brian's posting by deleting the link to the full issue & inserting a link to a pdf copy of the article Brian refers to only. This should comply with the legitimate exemption Bruce referred to.

[Grant Bowker]

Until recently I would have had little sympathy for After The Battle as copyright holders as they were not making the material available for people who wanted to buy access (although the law may be written to permit them to prohibit sharing without them making it available for purchase).
It now appears they are taking steps to publish Wheels And Tracks electronically - https://www.afterthebattle.com/magaz...andtracks.html as well as making an index freely avaialble - https://www.afterthebattle.com/magazine/wandtindex.pdf
At 6 GBP per issue the downloads are about twice the original cover price but not out of line with many current magazines. It's nice to see the material being made available for those who missed out the first time around. So far, issues 1-41 seem to be available. https://pocketmags.com/after-the-bat.../specialissues