Elliott's Yard, Ontario in 1993

[Ed Storey]

Brian, nice to see a pdf copy of WT No. 7 posted to the forum, but I believe that doing so is a breach in copyright with ATB Publications who were the publisher and are still in business.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

Brian, nice to see a pdf copy of WT No. 7 posted to the forum, but I believe that doing so is a breach in copyright with ATB Publications who were the publisher and are still in business.

Would this not be a legitimate exemption as in Sec.29 of the Copyright Act?

Copyright Act (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-42)
Exceptions
Fair Dealing
Marginal note:Research, private study, etc.

29 Fair dealing for the purpose of research, private study, education, parody or satire does not infringe copyright.

[Ed Storey]

Originally Posted by Bruce Parker

Would this not be a legitimate exemption as in Sec.29 of the Copyright Act?

Copyright Act (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-42)
Exceptions
Fair Dealing
Marginal note:Research, private study, etc.

29 Fair dealing for the purpose of research, private study, education, parody or satire does not infringe copyright.

Yes, but this does not mean that you can scan a whole publication, then download it to a forum in which anyone can then access the document and copy it for free. Scanning and posting selected segments, for private study, research etc is acceptable. Giving credit to the source is always nice as well.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

Yes, but this does not mean that you can scan a whole publication, then download it to a forum in which anyone can then access the document and copy it for free. Scanning and posting selected segments, for private study, research etc is acceptable. Giving credit to the source is always nice as well.

I agree credit would be nice, though it clearly is Wheels and Tracks. There is no profit, I consider it for research and the Copyright Act is silent on what portion or portions may be made available (who's to say something in the rest of the publication isn't invaluable in putting context to the research or study being done?). Where this gets murkier is where something is published. The Canadian federal Copyright Act starts down this path but acknowledges what's outside of Canada can't rightly be enforced, just 'persuaded' and injunctions at the pleasure of some other location. I dealt with some of this first hand when I was part of an organization having to sort out what happens when provincial legislation compels someone to do something that is against the federal act. It was never really settled as both sides ran out of will and money to decide it.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Good points re. copyright infringement and the fact that electronic copies are now available. Neither Brian nor MLU Forum copied and published that issue of Wheels & Tracks, Brian merely provided a link to a site which is hosting a pdf-copy of it.

However, to prevent a possible legal conundrum I have edited Brian's posting by deleting the link to the full issue & inserting a link to a pdf copy of the article Brian refers to only. This should comply with the legitimate exemption Bruce referred to.

[Stefan Leegwater]

One of the nicest finds at the Elliots yard is our F60H, my dad Dirk saw this truck the first time when Barry took him there in '98.
Ever since, Dirk and I got back there every year, and at one point finally got this unique truck out of there.
With help from Barry we got the holmes wrecker to go with it.
We liked to meet up with the brothers every year and found besides the vehicles many cmp parts as well there in the school busses.
I also added a picture of the Stuart M5A1 in the yard, picture from 1998

Good memories on this yard!

Stefan

DSC03531.JPG elliots1.jpg elliots2.jpg f60hfinal3.jpg

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[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Elliott's yard today on Google streetscape, now Fast Auto Parts & Metals. It remains much as it was (except for the CMPs of course). My Fox came from about where the blue roll off bin is behind the white transport truck through the gate. The office in Stefan's photo is to the right and you had to chat with one or other of the brothers and drink a bad cup of coffee in there first before getting into the back.

[Ian McColl]

The Elliot Brothers occupied the building directly across the road when I was first there as a young boy. The first time I recall visiting they were fabricating a 15cwt 2B1 box or at least a good portion of it. That building was then utilized by a forklift company if I am not mistaken. The buildings shown in the photos were used for storage at that time. I recall them moving across the road to to the buildings shown when they were starting to "wind down" a little bit but were there for a great number of years as most will know.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Stefan Leegwater

I also added a picture of the Stuart M5A1 in the yard, picture from 1998

OK, so whatever became of the Stuart? I thought it was long gone by 1998.

[Bob Phillips]

I believe the stuart was sold to a fellow in Quebec, who began collecting parts for it. Later it went to Marcus S and it was resold again to another collector- possibly out west. Don't know where it is today. I remember that it went to Marcus with several crates of parts and the diff assy out of a M3 stuart which is apparently a completely different beast than an M5.

[Al Nickolson]

It appears that the Elliot Stuart tank is the same one that's now owned by Rod Ceccato, Leslieville, Alberta.

elliots3 (1).jpg Rods M5A1 back view.jpg

[Al Nickolson]

Does anyone know the history on the Stuart Tank that was at Elliot's yard?

[peter simundson]

There were two there. They came from me.

Peter Simundson

[Grant Bowker]

Until recently I would have had little sympathy for After The Battle as copyright holders as they were not making the material available for people who wanted to buy access (although the law may be written to permit them to prohibit sharing without them making it available for purchase).
It now appears they are taking steps to publish Wheels And Tracks electronically - https://www.afterthebattle.com/magaz...andtracks.html as well as making an index freely avaialble - https://www.afterthebattle.com/magazine/wandtindex.pdf
At 6 GBP per issue the downloads are about twice the original cover price but not out of line with many current magazines. It's nice to see the material being made available for those who missed out the first time around. So far, issues 1-41 seem to be available. https://pocketmags.com/after-the-bat.../specialissues