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Chassis winch in 15-cwt chassis
Here is another 15-cwt truck, a Ford in this case, with a chassis winch.
"Original" according to the owner. Original winch, sure, but original fitment, no. Unless it once was an FGT chassis?
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The chassis also looks to have the brackets for the auxiliary/helper/overload springs that were not fitted to F15A according to the parts books.
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The helper spring brackets are upside down and are bolted in so not original.
Ken
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Grant, Ken, well spotted, thanks.
So it looks to be a 15-cwt chassis with winch and other bits added. H.
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I've come across this once before.
I have a vague memory that stop gap 12 cab 2pdr Anti tank portees were fitted with winches most were then reconfigured late in the war back to GS bodied versions but kept the winches Pete |
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Could you eloborate on this vague memory? As far as I know, the 2-pdr AT Portees did not have a chassis winch but a small hand driven winch - see below. Post-war, many 15-cwt trucks were fitted with a chassis winch, of which I think this is an example. Always willing & able to be educated! Thanks, Hanno
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I'll try and find the reference Hanno, it may have been in a Wheels and Tracks sometime after the article about portees.
Like you we couldn't decide if the remains of the truck was a factory fit or a post war mod it was not a bodge job but properly fitted unfortunately I don't have any photos of it. Pete |
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hi guys,
But if you closely to the backend of the chassis the crossmember does look like the ones used on FGT's. So would it be possible that this is? a FGT chassis were they fitted a normal 13 pattern cab and cargo box on? probably a post war job. just suggestion... greetings Rob |
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I can't see the fuel tanks in the picture....even though tanks can be swapped, a FAT would originally have had the larger fuel tanks, while the F15A used the smaller ones.
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Fitting a winch and helper springs to an F15A chassis would have made it an ideal towing vehicle for a garage.....which to me, is the most likely explanation. Alex
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that's very clear and logical talking. And don't forget that they were very creatif in those days.
greetings Rob |
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I may have been thinking of this thread perhaps ?
http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8997 however I thought I'd seen a written reference somewhere I'll keep looking. At this stage (something like 20 years ago) I can't remember if the remains of the one I found had 60cwt axles however it was definitely a 12 cab on a 15cwt wheel base with the remains of a GS body it certainly didn't appear like a reworked GT. Pete |
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Hi all,
Thanks for all the input. But to my knowledge, no 15-cwt chassis were fitted with a chassis winch at the factory or assembly plant during WW2. All the 15-cwt chassis with winches I have seen, turned out to be modified ones. With the abundance of spares available post-war, a chassis winch is a likely/ useful addition for a skid logger, garage tow truck, etc. Plus it is mostly a bolt-in conversion. But the available evidence shows these were post-war civilian conversions, and not part of the original configuration of this type of truck. I would like to challenge the membership to come up with source material supporting the chassis winch being a factory option for 15-cwt chassis during WW2. Note that in the case of the CGT Portee and Polsten AA truck, source material mentions a winch - but these are hand winches, not chassis winches as covered here. HTH, Hanno
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however when they turn up they are invariably professionally fitted not some after thought bolt on by a farmer. My guess is these trucks were REME/ CREME late war modifications or possibly post war. |
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It's not so much as a Crossmember (which suggests a full-width frame between the chassis rails), as 2 "C" section pads that are rivetted within each chassis rail.
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