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Old 11-04-08, 15:31
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Who knows more about the vehicles used by the:
- 2nd New Zealand Division
In New Zealand in the Second World War - To Greece I found some pictures proving the New Zealanders did use CMP trucks in Greece.

Who knows which types they were supplied with: 15, 30, 60-cwt? Ford, Chevrolet or both makes?

H.
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Old 03-04-16, 03:57
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In New Zealand in the Second World War - To Greece I found some pictures proving the New Zealanders did use CMP trucks in Greece.

Who knows which types they were supplied with: 15, 30, 60-cwt? Ford, Chevrolet or both makes?

H.
Hi Hanno. The following are some photos from my late grandfather's album taken both before, and during the Greek campaign.
He was the Regimental Sergeant Major/Quartermaster NCO of No.6 Field Regiment, NZA. I have posted another photo showing my granddad in the relatives threads.

These are all scans of those small 2"x2" prints that most early albums have. Some are not the greatest quality, but I've managed to clean them up a bit.

The first shot, and a close-up show CMP's of No.6 Field lined up ready for embarkation to Greece. They appear to be in one of the 'Caunter' schemes.
Note also the 'dead soldiers' (empty beer bottles) lying in the sand!
Unfortunately I can't get a clear enough enlargement to pick any census numbers.

The next shot is FAT's, limbers and 25lbers taken in Athens on the way up to the front.

The last two show the FAT's near Mt.Olympus. They do appear to be Fords from enlarged scans of the photo.

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Pete M.
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Old 03-04-16, 04:06
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Excellent images, thanks for sharing them Peter.

I think the FATs in the lower picture may all be Morris...the one facing certainly is and the front hubs don't look CMP.
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Old 04-04-16, 11:17
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Excellent images, thanks for sharing them Peter.

I think the FATs in the lower picture may all be Morris...the one facing certainly is and the front hubs don't look CMP.
Hi Keith. You may well be correct regarding the FAT's in my photo.
I'll have another go at scanning that tiny photo again!

Cheers,
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Old 12-04-16, 11:25
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Excellent images, thanks for sharing them Peter.

I think the FATs in the lower picture may all be Morris...the one facing certainly is and the front hubs don't look CMP.
Hi Keith. After having another look at my higher resolution scans of these, I think you are correct in that they are Morris Mk.II 'Beetle back' FATs, as the two roof mounted ventilators can just be made out. The nose of the bodies also appear to be Morris rather than CMP's.

I did some further 'digging' in my archives for information on 6th Field Regiment's vehicles pre-Greece, and found they were issued 36 Morris FAT's just before they embarked for Greece. Needless to say, none of these made it back to Egypt!

Post Greece, the Western desert, Tunisia then Italy, they all appear to be CMP based vehicles.

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Old 13-04-16, 14:39
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Hello Gents,
Yet another pic of F15 abandoned in Greece was found into my PC. Regretfully I can't recall the source but apparently it was some magazine or book.
6th Australian Division again, this time not "D2" but "F1" on the windshield (and probably on the door too?)



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Old 17-04-16, 19:44
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Hi all,
I just found in a magazine two pictures. Sorry if no news for you. Sorry also for the quality.
Not Greece but still the Balkans. Both pics were taken in Yugoslavia, on the second the CMP is captured by the partisans.



Is it possible the CMPs were "imported" by the Germans from Greece?
BTW, in both captions the vehicles are stated as F60s but I don't think they are 3-tonners. Anyway enjoy!
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Old 17-04-16, 22:55
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They appear to be Ford F15 Cab 11s. Lower one definitely cab 11.

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I just found in a magazine two pictures. Sorry if no news for you. Sorry also for the quality.
Not Greece but still the Balkans. Both pics were taken in Yugoslavia, on the second the CMP is captured by the partisans.



Is it possible the CMPs were "imported" by the Germans from Greece?
BTW, in both captions the vehicles are stated as F60s but I don't think they are 3-tonners. Anyway enjoy!
Cheers!
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Old 03-04-16, 04:11
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In New Zealand in the Second World War - To Greece I found some pictures proving the New Zealanders did use CMP trucks in Greece.

Who knows which types they were supplied with: 15, 30, 60-cwt? Ford, Chevrolet or both makes?

H.
I've been unable to source what CMP vehicles were issued to No.6 Field ( and the NZ Division), but have attached a further enlargement from the 6th Field photo at Molos. Hard to tell if Ford or Chevy!

Both General Motors and Ford here in New Zealand assembled CMP's from CKD kits supplied from Canada, but I've not been able to find whether they were sent to Egypt, or remained in New Zealand.
Further 'digging' is required!!!

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Old 03-04-16, 09:36
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A lot of the first 'Issue' of CMP type vehicles to The New Zealand Division in the Middle East were vehicles shipped direct to Egypt under British Order numbers and 'sold' to the NZ government by the British.

A few #11 cab F30, 134in WB GS trucks without the vents have turned up in New Zealand over the past few years. The 'Puddle Jumpers' - the 2lb anti-tank gun carriers (later converted to GS trucks post war) were 12 cab Chevrolets.

From past memory New Zealand took all surviving trucks under their command when hostilities ceased in Europe back to NZ. Most of the GM NZ assembled trucks may have been the C8AX but I am not entirely sure if this is correct .

Hope this helps
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Old 04-04-16, 11:45
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A lot of the first 'Issue' of CMP type vehicles to The New Zealand Division in the Middle East were vehicles shipped direct to Egypt under British Order numbers and 'sold' to the NZ government by the British.

A few #11 cab F30, 134in WB GS trucks without the vents have turned up in New Zealand over the past few years. The 'Puddle Jumpers' - the 2lb anti-tank gun carriers (later converted to GS trucks post war) were 12 cab Chevrolets.

From past memory New Zealand took all surviving trucks under their command when hostilities ceased in Europe back to NZ. Most of the GM NZ assembled trucks may have been the C8AX but I am not entirely sure if this is correct .

Hope this helps
Hi Cliff. Not just the C8AX...

Taken at General Motors Petone factory in 1940 from the New Zealand National Archives

Ref: 1/2-036839-F

Chevrolet 4x4 truck used by the army. Photograph taken by Gordon Burt, circa 1940.

I have searched, and there were no further relevant listings by this photographer in the archives..I'm sure he wouldn't have just taken the one photo!!! Still, It's a real beauty.

If anyone would like a higher resolution copy, then I have posted one to my Dropbox public folder..it's a .tiff file of 9.1megs. Credit to NZ National Archives, but for discussion purposes only, not for further publication!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ebhxu62jid...20cab.tif?dl=0

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