How To: Restore a Morris or keep fit

[pauldavies]

Hi Mike and I am sure to hit 30mph tomorrow even though there are no hills near home in Point Vernon, you did well on the net gathering stores and even stuff from the early 30's from the wizard and as for the J2 well not the most pleasing looking thing that grew 4 wheels. By the looks of it you are like me and tend to machine things to what you need, I have a neighbour who lets me use his mini machine shop when needed but I had to pass his test a few years ago, he inspected some bushes I made which came up to his standard so I passed. Long time since I worked on machines but like riding a bike.
Will keep an eye on the leather seals as I have a nuisance leak on one of my back wheels, I am also wondering if my C8 is on the Aussie Army list that you are formulating? Chassis # 2283C8GS033 as I am hopeless on this kind of thing, I have my champ Aussie Army record someone sent me a few years ago as he had access to the ledger. Lots of luck with the C8 resto and again many thanks for the help.
Paul

[Mike K]

Originally Posted by pauldavies

Lots of luck with the C8 resto and again many thanks for the help.
Paul

It's actually a CS8 I am restoring the "S" indicates a six cyl. engine . It is a 4X2 .

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by pauldavies

Will keep an eye on the leather seals as I have a nuisance leak on one of my back wheels,

Hi Paul,
Glad to hear the fuel problem is hopefully sorted out now.
Regarding a rear hub seal, I think you will find that it is a felt ring. I found some of these some years ago for a C8 and they were still available from British Leyland in the 1970's-80's under the Unipart in-house spares label. I think they were used on the LD and some of the FG models from Austin and Morris.

regards, Richard

[Mike K]

Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

Hi Paul,
Glad to hear the fuel problem is hopefully sorted out now.
Regarding a rear hub seal, I think you will find that it is a felt ring. I found some of these some years ago for a C8 and they were still available from British Leyland in the 1970's-80's under the Unipart in-house spares label. I think they were used on the LD and some of the FG models from Austin and Morris.

regards, Richard

The CS8 has a felt ring behind the inner hub bearing , its a pretty crude seal but it must have been effective to some degree. The felt sits in a steel circular holder that RESTS AGAINST the bearing. You can see the felt ring behind the bearing, in the pic I attached with the can of WD40 .

[pauldavies]

Hi guy's and went for a run in the C8 today, a bit on the sluggish side so some adjustment to the fuel/air mix needed also the radiator worked well till I got it back in the shed and switched off then it boiled over. I only filled till touching the plate at the bottom of the filler, I still have reservations where the rubber sealing ring actually seals against?
Paul

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by pauldavies

Hi guy's and went for a run in the C8 today, a bit on the sluggish side so some adjustment to the fuel/air mix needed also the radiator worked well till I got it back in the shed and switched off then it boiled over. I only filled till touching the plate at the bottom of the filler, I still have reservations where the rubber sealing ring actually seals against?
Paul

Hi Paul,
The rubber ring seals against the flange face of the spring loaded tube. I found on my Bedford that the spring was not free on the tube and after cleaning it all up it now works fine. I would also check that the block and radiator are clean as that could cause you problems. Another tip is to let it idle for a while before stopping the engine, in order to get the temperature down.

regards, Richard

[Mike K]

hi Paul

The C8 was probably a sluggish performer even when it left the factory

The book I mentioned would be a good aid for you. I have scanned the book but I have mislaid it somehow. It is on a CD or a stick . I will have another look, if I find it I can send you a copy. The book , published by MCC themselves, covers all of the miltary models , maintenance instructions and specifications . I do have the photocopy of the book itself , if all else fails I can send you the hard copy but you would have to return it .

Also your earlier query re the serial nr . Not sure - as it is a GS version , it isn't among the C8's listed in the AWM books which were all portees.

[T Creighton]

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

The CS8 has a felt ring behind the inner hub bearing , its a pretty crude seal but it must have been effective to some degree. The felt sits in a steel circular holder that RESTS AGAINST the bearing. You can see the felt ring behind the bearing, in the pic I attached with the can of WD40 .

Hi Mike, Do you think it is possible to replace that felt ring with a conventional seal? I don't want to risk oil on my expensive new woven brake linings.
Cheers., Terry

[Mike K]

Originally Posted by T Creighton

Hi Mike, Do you think it is possible to replace that felt ring with a conventional seal? I don't want to risk oil on my expensive new woven brake linings.
Cheers., Terry

I have been wondering if a modern hub seal can be fitted to the rear axle hubs on the CS8 . After looking at how the hub is designed - in the case of the CS8, I feel it would be a difficult conversion . I am not certain about how the 4x4 hub is set up but it appears to be similar to the CS8 rear hub, maybe you and Paul can come up with a solution .

[pauldavies]

Thanks Mike and Richard it would seem I need to learn how to drive a rare vehicle such as the C8, I have the Morris Manual (as shown)but all information is gold and yes if all else fails Mike send it up and I will return it. I will have to do a bit of thinking regarding the seal as I suppose there must be modern day alternatives it's just how to fit them in. There is a company in Sydney who will supply just about anything seals & bearings wise, will have to look into it.
Many thanks to all.Shame about the AWM listing but I hope the Morris Register can come up with something, they are having a Morris meet in Maryborough QLD next year which I will be attending.

[Mike K]

Somebody has similar thoughts re the felt seals

http://users.boardnation.com/~mcc/in...y;threadid=233

[T Creighton]

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

I have been wondering if a modern hub seal can be fitted to the rear axle hubs on the CS8 . After looking at how the hub is designed - in the case of the CS8, I feel it would be a difficult conversion . I am not certain about how the 4x4 hub is set up but it appears to be similar to the CS8 rear hub, maybe you and Paul can come up with a solution .

It looks like a 3 1/2 x 4 7/16 x 3/8 conventional seal could fit instead of the felt seal and it's retainer ring, but the seal lip would only just bear on the journal of the distance piece.
Machining the flange on the distance piece could allow the seal to move out a bit but then it may be not far enough inside the hub bore.
It would be a gamble to alter a distance piece to find it did not work.
If I could find some new felt rings I would stick to that system.
Terry.

[Mike K]

Originally Posted by T Creighton

It looks like a 3 1/2 x 4 7/16 x 3/8 conventional seal could fit instead of the felt seal and it's retainer ring, but the seal lip would only just bear on the journal of the distance piece.
Machining the flange on the distance piece could allow the seal to move out a bit but then it may be not far enough inside the hub bore.
It would be a gamble to alter a distance piece to find it did not work.
If I could find some new felt rings I would stick to that system.
Terry.

Yes I see the problem. The same design is used on the CS8 . Ideally the distance piece journal should be extended , but how. A new distance piece could be machined up but that is not a easy solution. Just realised the journal cannot be extended !

The felt rings on mine were all leaking and some quantity of oil/grease got onto the backing plates . The linings themselves were not affected . OVERFILLING OF THE DIFF WOULD BE A DISASTER ..