Selling Personal Collections

[chris vickery]

Rob, agreed.
The is also something to be said for the service provided by ordinary members of the public who we refer to as collectors.
What I mean by this is the level of commitment undertaken by individuals to research, collect, find and finance artifacts which would, could or will be ravaged or lost to time.
Collectively, there are way more individuals collectors who have the time and passion to pursue these things, while most museums have limited budgets, time and research staff.
I support museums but also the individuals. One does not survive without the other.

[Robert Bergeron]

I knew i could trust the members of this forum to debate with respect of each other's opinions.

I certainly agree with Chris, Rob and Ed in most and every aspect. Private collectors are the reason why the better '' stuff '' is preserved .

As for ''Mister '' , the treason of trust is what ''kills '' me . In the Middle Ages , a Knight ( today's equivalent of an officer ) who would breach his oath like ''Mister '' did would have his sword broken , his family crest disposed of in fire and his head cut off with an axe. His body would then be left to rot for crows to feast . No burial in a cathedral or consecrated grounds.

I think what the Chain of Command did with his commission and medals is the modern equivalent. As for the the pension, the anomaly here is that it cannot be forfeited or seized in favour of his victim's families.

I am way out of the subject but i have recurring nightmares of MCpl Comeau recognising her assailiant , torturer and eventual killer. He was her Wing' s CO for God's sake !

Thanks for your comments.



Robert

[maple_leaf_eh]

I can think of a handful of service members who have been released in disgrace and had their CDs recovered - the senior officer and the junior officer mentioned, and an intelligence analyst. Just recently a female Air Nav' got court martialed for wearing unearned awards, which cost her the OMM and other punishments. But what about the other hundreds of service men and women who get into trouble with the law every year? Don't convicted drunk drivers, shoplifters, and assailants also bring disrepute upon the Forces? Shouldn't they have their long service good conduct medals pulled too?

Bob mentioned above that what the Queen gives, she can take away. By that definition, wouldn't medals be an in-their-lifetime temporary loan, with the return spring taking effect upon death?

[Dianaa]

Just to touch on the issue of revoking military medals, the only medal that can't be revoked is the Victoria Cross. While a VC recipient from the second Afghan War (and WWI) Pte. James Collis, was awarded the VC, he later had it forfeited because of bigamy. After a petition to King George V the award was restored after James Collis VC died.

The King proclaimed at the time "No matter the crime committed by anyone on whom the VC has been conferred, the decoration should not be forfeited. Even were a VC recipient to be sentenced to be hanged for murder, he should be allowed to wear his medal on the scaffold.”

[rob love]

Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh

I can think of a handful of service members who have been released in disgrace and had their CDs recovered - the senior officer and the junior officer mentioned, and an intelligence analyst. Just recently a female Air Nav' got court martialed for wearing unearned awards, which cost her the OMM and other punishments. But what about the other hundreds of service men and women who get into trouble with the law every year? Don't convicted drunk drivers, shoplifters, and assailants also bring disrepute upon the Forces? Shouldn't they have their long service good conduct medals pulled too?

Bob mentioned above that what the Queen gives, she can take away. By that definition, wouldn't medals be an in-their-lifetime temporary loan, with the return spring taking effect upon death?

Here is the link to the official answers that you seek. http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/about-pol...-01/ch-18.page

Section 4 covers forfeitures. As always when reading regulations (and drill manuals), note the difference between shall and may.

Nothing there about the return of any of them upon death.

[Bill Alexander]

Bringing this back to the collection in question, I have downloaded the catalogue. Some lots are questionable, and I would be very careful if considering bidding. The 1 Cdn Par lot 244 is one I would cite as questionable. Note the auctioneer says the insignia is not guaranteed. Many other lots need to be carefully studied.

[Robert Bergeron]

Dianaa,

You are a gem !

What a nice find.

The King can do no wrong !



Robert

[Robert Bergeron]

Rob, thanks that's the right reference concerning forfeitures.Well done.

The King or Queen may take back what she / he has given as a service medal or award.

What military members should remember is the old adage : Don't do the crime if you ( don't want to do the time ) want to keep your medals !

Robert