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Old 10-10-11, 03:15
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Default Hot Times at the Barn

Saturday's weather was unseasonably hot. It was so warm out that the entire local population of ladybirds/ladybugs came out to enjoy the weather. There were hundreds of the annoying little beetles getting into every opening and generally distracting us from our chores. I took a photo (first attached photo) of one of the beasts but just as I pressed the shutter, one flew up my nose causing me to flinch while the camera took the shot. I lost my zeal for nature shots shortly after I dispatched the offending invader to bug heaven.

Bob spent the morning working on his welder. We swapped out the 035 wire spools for some lighter guage wire. For some reason unknown to us, the lighter wire kept bunching up at the feed rollers. Bob is investigating the cause on the Miller website, and hopefully we find the reason for the frequent snags. We went back to the 035 wire to finish up some of the welding.

Bob's neighbour stopped by to drop off a six banger engine - we are not sure if it is a 216 or a 235. Once we clean up the serial numbers we will find out for sure. Back inside the barn Grant attached the steering mechanism to his truck (second attached photo) and continued with his restoration activities. I played with my HUP window frames welding up the openings I had made to facilitate the pouring of paint into their interiors.

After lunch Bob and Grant checked out the engine of the truck that he got this summer out of Maces Bay in New Brunswick. After a bit of convincing the starter worked and the engine spun nicely. The engine was then freed from its rusty captors and set aside for some future project.

Just prior to departure, I asked the lads to lend a hand with some heavy lifting. The last photo shows the item on saw horses where it awaits some much needed attention. Any guesses as to what is under the tarp?
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Old 10-10-11, 14:39
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Default You have arrived at home for wayward truck status

Hi Guys

When I read: "Bob's neighbour stopped by to drop off a six banger engine - we are not sure if it is a 216 or a 235. Once we clean up the serial numbers we will find out for sure." I realized that Bob has arrived at the home for wayward trucks status. You know you have a reputation when people just start dropping off parts at the barn door.

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Old 11-10-11, 03:19
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Default Turkey Day at the Barn

Thanksgiving Day (Canadian French: Jour de l'Action de grāce) was spent at the barn. The sun was out and the fall weather was fantastic. The forest around the barn was in full colour and alive with the sounds of birds and squirrels. The only way to improve on this was to torture metal and drive CMPs.

Bob arrived at the barn with a mission in mind. He wanted to build an engine stand for the motor taken out of the Maces Bay CMP. After hacking up some tube steel, he got busy welding up a respectable engine stand.

Grant continued to work on his truck and provided some much appreciated technical advice for the welder. I busied myself adding convoy lights to the rear of the HUP. After driving the HUP out of the shelter, I arranged the convoy lights on a table. I was fascinated to learn that there were a good number of variants. Some had long tubes, short tubes, springs in the long tube, plug in and blade type connectors on the the wires. It took some time to get four that looked the same and these were installed on the HUP.

The rest of the morning was spent helping Bob when needed and repairing the rust damage to the HUP rear wall kick panel. We had lunch in the thriving city of Rockland at the local Tim Hortons. There we discussed diesel technology and compared it to "hybrid" technology. We three were on the diesel side of the argument.

Back at the barn Bob continued the quest for the perfect engine stand and Grant and I got back to work on our vehicles. Since the weather was so nice, I took the HUP out for a tour of the back 40. One lesson that I had forgotten was the turning radius of the CMP is not as tight as my little Corolla's. I clipped one of Bob's CMP trailers with my pax side tire. No damage to speak of (they are CMPs afterall) but a little bruised pride.The rest of the ride was as much fun as you can have with your clothes on.

Back at the barn, Bob fired up the tractor and moved the Maces Bay frame to the back field for winter storage. After putting the hitch of the wounded trailer back up on its block, Bob headed for the house for some refreshments. Bob brought out some brews to fight off the afternoon heat. We chatted about the upcoming Acton event and made plans to find and extract a CMP from southern Ontario this month.

As was normal, the day passed all too fast and I headed back to the city for Thanksgiving with the family leaving Bob and Grant to lock up the barn until our next CMP session in Hammond. Life is good here in Canada despite the irritations. We do have things for which we can truly be thankful.

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1 - Bob and one of his engines - taking measurements
2 - Quality testing a weld job
3 - Grant getting into his work
4 - HUP rear convoy lights
5 - Thanksgiving options
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Old 11-10-11, 03:33
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Default Mystery Part

Sorry, Bob. You guessed wrong, although one can remember waking up each morning in those teenage years...

The wrapped part is the roof off of the Prototype HUP (which you can view on Youtube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cjduhFyTkA). Bob, Grant and I lifted the roof off of the truck and placed it on the ground for repair over the winter.

Bob guided the tractor bucket into the shelter where the bucket hook was affixed with two towing straps. Grant and I held a steel bar and lifted the front of the roof as Bob backed out of the shelter. There was one tense moment, but the roof came out of the shelter no worse for the wear. After carefully moving the roof over broken ground, it was lowered and placed on two metal saw horses.

Thanks to Bob and Grant for their help. The roof was ungainly to move but now that it is off, I can remove most of the internal fittings for sandblasting. There should be no shortage of activity this winter at the Hammond Barn.

Photos:
1 - Roof ready to remove
2 - Roof out of shelter ready for saw horses
3 - Roof on its horses showing damaged areas
4 - More of the same
5 - Convertible Prototype - truly one of a kind!
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Old 14-10-11, 03:53
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Default Engine ID...... puzzled !!!

Got this engine dropped off at the barn....

.... he says its an early 235.....

Engine has the two acorn nut ribbed valve cover like a 216.....

Under the carb..... block as the external oil distribution cover like a 216...

On the dizzy side the lifter cover only goes up half way like a later 235..... it does not cover the sparkplugs.....

...and the block serial number is Y 24340 (numbers are clean and bold)

I can find NO such prefix on the various web sites intended to decode engine numbers..... some have told me that it was a "Canadian" block and numbers would be different......

Will be scrapping hardened gunk off the block this weekend and look for castings numbers as well as lifting the top valve cover to look for more casting numbers inside.

IS it a truck engine....Canadian engine.... or a replacement engine.

Comments ... suggestions....

Thanks

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Old 14-10-11, 08:46
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Default Engine ID

Post or PM me the casting number and the date code please. Are you sure that that's a 'Y'? Could it be a 'T'? That would make it a 1-ton and above Truck 216.
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Old 14-10-11, 15:36
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Default Engine ID...... puzzled !!!

Hi Bob

When you take the side cover off look for a serial number under where the gasket goes, see if it matches the number you see on the distributor boss.

Remember I've come across two engines that did not have serial numbers stamped on the normal location at all.

Cheers Phil
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