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Old 07-01-11, 02:34
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Default You guys....

Resourcefulness and not knowing it can't be done are basic skills for working on a CMP.....

Phil

You could write a book on "how to...for CMPs" .... and maybe you should....

That modification to the crankshaft pulley is genius and surely related to the old index wheels we used on V* for setting valve cycles accurately..... using a boxful of various offset keys...once marked every 120 degrees you are set for life....

I still think that using the inspection hatch on the bell housing for timing is worth it's weight in gold.....

Now .... to the stale gas.....

It seems to go bad faster than a few decades ago..... however the old gas form the 70s use to stink like hell.... new gas goes bad but you cannot readily detect the changes by smell alone.... I remember coming home
after sucking gas from old cars in junk yards.... we used it to wash parts.... inevitably you always swallowed some..... my wife was always quick to point out my stinking breadth..... we stopped that practice after reading in a safety manual that only one drop in your lungs....once spread over the wet tissue like an oil slick... can suffocate you..... so now we suck beers....

It may be that Rob's gas had gone bad.... because his (marine mobile )tank stayed connected to his truck and when he went in the tent it had heated up and poured out when pressurised by sunshine...... it mayhave vented the best volatile components of the gasoline....

The other suspected thing is the dizzy was bumped and moved..... he did have two sparkplug wires knwoed off the dizzy,,,, and yes we checked the firing order... too young...too old..... just right..... perverts !!!!

Vacuum seemed to be working when last checked.

Next detective work willbe a systematic elemination process finishing with the timing......

On the electric fuel pump.... it has been a lively topic on Stove Bolt Chev site..... a lot of guys have been having problems with deteriorating gas line and in particular the fuel oumo diaphram..... some are advocating srtipping the pumping mechanism of the original fuel pump..... replace diaphram with a strong neoprene gasket.... removing the one way valve and using a hidden electric fuel pump to flow gasoline through the dummy pump to the carb.... it retains originality of the pump but is more dependable.

I fully intend to install a permanent electric fuel pump on my cab 11 either in series with the mechanical pump or as a stand alone bypass system in case of unforeseen problems.....

Please keep us informed of any other short cut you come up with while re-doing the HUP.

Bob
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Old 07-01-11, 20:37
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I ran into my "Manitoba spy" at the airport today. While his progress report on potential border raiding opportunities was less than encouraging, he is still willing to conduct covert ops on my behalf. On the positive side, his list of potential SMP kidnap victims continues to grow...I hear that Winnipeg is nice in the fall. Just might have to find out.
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Old 23-01-11, 00:08
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Default Sparks Fly at the Barn

This morning started off a bit cold (-21oC with a wind-chill of -32oC), so Lucifer had to earn its keep today. While Lucifer warmed up, the doorways were shoveled and snow was removed from a few of the shelters. While this was going on, the frigid air was disturbed by the sound of an unfamiliar diesel engine. Gilles, from Cantly, brought one of his "small" trucks to the barn to give us a first hand look at one of his latest projects. After firing up the onboard generator (which came to life within seconds), the tour of the many storage spaces began. This truck will make any future MV convoys a little less challenging as it is kitted out with spares to beat the band. The tour of the truck included some tasty treats. No sooner had we opened the box of Tim Horton's doughnuts, Guy Vapeur showed up - I guess old habits die hard... Grant made his entrance and claimed the last treat and the group retired to the barn to bask in Lucifer's hellish glow.

The conversations ranged from various jokes, to sewing jobs and the S&P Rally to be held in July of this year. After chewing the fat for the best part of an hour, Guy parted company and the rest of us headed out for a bite to eat. Our newest favourite eatery is called Boboul, located in nearby Limoges. Hopefully this eatery will keep itself from burning down…

Upon return to the barn, there were more jokes and kidding around. As usual, MLU was discussed in great detail. Eventually, we decided to do some work. The wood crib used to feed Lucifer needed filling. After shoveling out the back doors to the barn, we brought in some wood that we had cut and split last fall. Bob speculated that the load of wood should take us into the warm weather without resupply. Hopefully, he is right, but the cold weather we have been having in January does not auger well…It must be noted that we have had very little snow to date – both a good and bad thing. Good in that shelter maintenance and snow removal has been quite easy, bad because the lack of snow may impact the fire season in the late spring. There is still plenty of winter to come…

After restocking Lucifer’s larder, Bob broke out his spot welder and with Grant’s help, we welded up a new set of hatch lips for the 45 and Prototype HUPs. In both cases, the original hatch lips had rusted to a state of non-repair. So, both sets of lips were ripped off and replacement lips got made up today. The new lips consist of two pieces of 18 ga metal. The first piece has a 90o bend that forms an “L” shape along its length. The long part of the “L” is about an inch and the other part is about ¼ of an inch. The second piece is just a long strip of one inch 1 and 1/4 inch flat 18 ga metal. The short side of the first piece was welded along the length of the second piece forming the necessary “lips” and mounting flanges for the large hatch opening. The lips of course engage the foam rubber seal on the sliding hatch thus keeping the rain and dust out.

Bob and Grant were graceful enough to finish the last piece for me, as once again, time had expired. It was a nice, but cold day at the barn.


Photo 1-Tour of Gilles' truck
Photo 2-The Hammond Sewing Circle - discussing Jeep seat replacement
Photo 3-Spot welding - we are now "experts"...
Photo 4-Destructive testing - Bob hammers the stuffing out of test sample of the lips
Photo 5-Busted Lip...
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Old 23-01-11, 15:13
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Default Your package of cold air arrived

Hi Rob

Your package of cold Canadian air arrive this AM -7 to -13 F ( -20 -25 C) in the local area with colder expected for tonight, as soon as we can figure out how to box it up we'll send it back. Nice and bracing but a little to cold for our southern blood.

Interesting to see the contact maintenance truck, they have become very popular with MV collectors in our club. Very useful critters particularly when the owners have re-equipped them with complete tool sets. Does make club convoying more reassuring. Interesting to see the different generator/welder units that they were equipped with.

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Old 23-01-11, 15:45
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Default On spot welding.......

Some observations.....

It takes a few pictures before you finally get a good one of the sparks.....

Cleaning the joining surfaces help the quality of the weld and reduces sparks.
We used brake cleaner degreasing solution.

New tips are a pain until they wear down to a larger contact area..... next time will file them down to larger size before starting.

The only way (for me) to really test a weld is to break it apart... read destroy... to check of strength and penetration.....

Cleaning up the tip after 24+ welds helps in consistency and quality... dress with a file.... readjust alignment and pressure setting.

Good penetration leaves the metal hot...very hot..... wear gloves.

When wearing gloves..... wear good leather ones..... drops of flying molten metal will burn through them....ouch..... or fall into the top opening of the gloves..double ouch!!!!!

Spot welds every 3 inches on two pieces of 18 gauge steel will distort the metal into a long curve on 6 foot pieces..... not noticeable until after you hold it straight....... next time stagger spot welds... set up better so parts are supported and held flat to spot welder.....

Have fun !!!!!
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Old 23-01-11, 16:56
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Default Hot and Cold Banter

Phil, There is more cold air to come, but at least we have the hobby to keep us warm. I am beginning to suspect that there is a growing awareness of, and a keeness among the olive drab truck crowd in Canada to get more of the modern US military vehicles. Gilles is a case in point.

Speaking of trucks, the rumour mill has it that the Chrysler prototype from across the river has a new home. Not too many details are known, but I am sure that we will get the skinny on this sale and the fate of the truck in the near future.

Bob, Thanks for the welding session, We learned so much: clean your work, take your time, adjust your tools, keep glove openings away from the beaten zone of the welder, and of course, a new dance (resulting from hot slag falling down one's glove...).
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Old 23-01-11, 23:05
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Yes there is a growing interest in the US CUCV and the larger trucks M35 etc. In Canada no modern vehicles are available and if you do get them you cannot drive them on the roads because of not be able to get a tiltle.
The contact maintenance truck we have has 12,925 miles. It originally came with a generator welder which we removed because it was very hard and expensive getting parts. We installed a 903C 10kw generator from a Humvee and this summer we will use it to power our tools and to provide lights for events.
Right now the truck is equipped with all sorts of POL products, fan belts, 24v fuel pumps, tire repair kits and everything needed it perform minor repairs.
Our collection of vehicles is oriented towards combat service support and are vehicles are equipped to help others, this goes from the M816 wrecker to my wife's M1010 ambulance. This is what we do, and we do what we like. Gilles
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Old 26-09-11, 06:22
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Try changing the capacitor in the distributor, a bad capacitor will allow the engine to start but will break down at higher RPM which can result in rough running.
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Resourcefulness and not knowing it can't be done are basic skills for working on a CMP.....

Phil

You could write a book on "how to...for CMPs" .... and maybe you should....

That modification to the crankshaft pulley is genius and surely related to the old index wheels we used on V* for setting valve cycles accurately..... using a boxful of various offset keys...once marked every 120 degrees you are set for life....

I still think that using the inspection hatch on the bell housing for timing is worth it's weight in gold.....

Now .... to the stale gas.....

It seems to go bad faster than a few decades ago..... however the old gas form the 70s use to stink like hell.... new gas goes bad but you cannot readily detect the changes by smell alone.... I remember coming home
after sucking gas from old cars in junk yards.... we used it to wash parts.... inevitably you always swallowed some..... my wife was always quick to point out my stinking breadth..... we stopped that practice after reading in a safety manual that only one drop in your lungs....once spread over the wet tissue like an oil slick... can suffocate you..... so now we suck beers....

It may be that Rob's gas had gone bad.... because his (marine mobile )tank stayed connected to his truck and when he went in the tent it had heated up and poured out when pressurised by sunshine...... it mayhave vented the best volatile components of the gasoline....

The other suspected thing is the dizzy was bumped and moved..... he did have two sparkplug wires knwoed off the dizzy,,,, and yes we checked the firing order... too young...too old..... just right..... perverts !!!!

Vacuum seemed to be working when last checked.

Next detective work willbe a systematic elemination process finishing with the timing......

On the electric fuel pump.... it has been a lively topic on Stove Bolt Chev site..... a lot of guys have been having problems with deteriorating gas line and in particular the fuel oumo diaphram..... some are advocating srtipping the pumping mechanism of the original fuel pump..... replace diaphram with a strong neoprene gasket.... removing the one way valve and using a hidden electric fuel pump to flow gasoline through the dummy pump to the carb.... it retains originality of the pump but is more dependable.

I fully intend to install a permanent electric fuel pump on my cab 11 either in series with the mechanical pump or as a stand alone bypass system in case of unforeseen problems.....

Please keep us informed of any other short cut you come up with while re-doing the HUP.

Bob
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Old 02-10-11, 23:49
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Default Quiz Time / Feeding the Herd

Saturday reached the hellish temperature of 8 oC. There seems to be no middle ground with the weather this year. Too hot, too cold, too wet, too dry...we had it all this summer. At least we don't instantly break out into a sweat now.

Saturday was fairly quiet at the barn. Bob was away for his last swim of the year before the ice set in, and Grant was occupied elsewhere until about 3PM.

My HUP restoration is now turning to wiring and ancillery part replacement. The attached photos show what I have been working on recently. Any ideas of what the first (photos one and two) and second items (photo three) may be? The panel is properly oriented in the second photo.

The panel has a serious problem with rusting, so some metal work was required. After setting up the welder, I attempted to fill in a few holes. However, the wire refused to advance. A quick look inside the welder cabinet revealed why - the spool had emptied. It was not a good time to run out of 035 welding wire, but we have an order in for a replacement reel.

Since the welder was out of wire, the rest of my day was spent painting the inside of the doors and playing with the HUP dash. I had planned on using a reasonably good shape deuce and a half speedo, but ran into problems with the end fittings of my speedo cable. So, the old speedo was cleaned up somewhat and installed. The numbers on the speedo face need some attention, but they are readable. I am now on the prowl for readable CMP gauge sets.

The paint job on the doors was very messy. After removing the latch hardware, I opted to dump rust paint into the door interior and slop it back and forth to make sure all surfaces were covered. The doors were then left to drain of excess paint which will be re-used in the future. It was a good work out tumbling the 50 plus pound side and rear doors. In the future I will use the air gun as there is less waste.

Grant made his appearance later in the afternoon. He is making good progress on his radio truck and when it hits the road, it probably will be one of the most accurate restorations around.

Prior to leaving, a quick visit to the cat house was in order. For those who know Bob, you know I am talking about his cat condo that he built near his rear deck. It has heating lamps, blankets, feeding stations and a racoon proof entrance and exit. My job was to feed the wee beasties. After popping the lid of the first can of catfood, I became instantly popular with Bob's herd which appeared out of nowhere. They were most appreciative. Grant had cat slop duty on Sunday.

With the chores completed I headed back to the city smelling slightly of fishy catfood. Oddly, the smell made me hungry...

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1 - What is it? - in the 6" vice
2 - Same outside in it's proper orientation
3 - What are they (1" wide about 6" long 12ga metal)?
4 - HUP dash test fit
5 - Part of the herd
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Old 03-10-11, 17:21
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At the ends is that a glob of welded steel or lead? If lead I would guess the support for the fuel tank inlet pipe.

An feeding the Herd is very important.

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At the ends is that a glob of welded steel or lead? If lead I would guess the support for the fuel tank inlet pipe. And feeding the Herd is very important.Cheers Phil
Phil, You are correct. It is lead and these are filler neck supports for some CMP fuel tanks. Any guesses for photos one and two? Or are you letting others guess?

As for the herd, there is scarce chance that they will go unfed. Bob's outdoor cats are avid hunters as evidenced by the many rodent corpses recently found.

Cheers!
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Old 04-10-11, 17:02
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Not a clue, what they are not used on my version of the HUP that I can remember and as I am process of painting and reassembling my HUP I hope I'd know.

As to the feeding the Cat Pride, you only have to worry if your working under your truck and you see them gathering in the tall grass watching you.

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Old 04-10-11, 22:51
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Not a clue, what they are not used on my version of the HUP that I can remember and as I am process of painting and reassembling my HUP I hope I'd know. As to the feeding the Cat Pride, you only have to worry if your working under your truck and you see them gathering in the tall grass watching you. Cheers Phil
Phil, Bob's cats keep a wary eye on us at all times - mostly from under cover of the woods. If we dare piss them off, they piss on our trucks...nasty animals.

As for the mystery part, it is a kick panel that fits in the rear of the HUP on the wall that separates the front cab from the van. The cut outs are for the fold down table that is affixed to the wall. In the photo you see one table leg guide with a support welded to the side wall - a post military use mod as far as I know.

I am not certain about the round holes. The smaller holes look like they match the bolt pattern on the table leg guides. The larger holes are up for debate. I have not yet fit my personnel heater but think the hole is for the feed or return line for the hot water heater.

Any other theories?
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