Humber FV1611(A)

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally Posted by FV1611A

DOH! Well spotted.......The frying pan is for me Clive.....What a Wolly!

With a magazine of five rounds.......LOAD!......To the muppet to your front in your own time go-on!......

Maybe I'm blind or stupid but what the hell is "Material 1.6MM" right at the top of the drawing..??

[fv1620]

Wayne that's a nice clean diagram. Points you may be aware of, but worth mentioning:

The top 'horizontal' lid slopes down to the outer main wall. Although the slope is more pronounced on the FV1609. So the outer wall has to be made shorter than corresponding shadow it casts on the Pig itself.

The long upper side lid when it folds down reveals not a matching rectangular space but a space that at each end is bordered by rounded upward extensions of the main outer wall.

You'll need to be very careful with the lower sloped panel ensuring it is true in perpetuating the slope of the main armour. Mine slopes outwards a little which annoys me.

BTW you can see in the red oxide picture the places where I have put filler to mask the c/sink rivets. I think the original thin skin was augmented in strength by it being folded over by about 1cm. But with a thicker material I think it is justifiable to side step this detail.

You may well find that the angled support strips welded to the armour have 'Mary Rosed' themselves in that some may be too far gone & some although could be treated & preserved has undulated. It might make the locker engineering cleaner in application & geometry if you grind that off & replace it with new material.

[FV1611A]

Originally Posted by fv1620

Wayne that's a nice clean diagram. Points you may be aware of, but worth mentioning:

The top 'horizontal' lid slopes down to the outer main wall. Although the slope is more pronounced on the FV1609. So the outer wall has to be made shorter than corresponding shadow it casts on the Pig itself.

The long upper side lid when it folds down reveals not a matching rectangular space but a space that at each end is bordered by rounded upward extensions of the main outer wall.

You'll need to be very careful with the lower sloped panel ensuring it is true in perpetuating the slope of the main armour. Mine slopes outwards a little which annoys me.

BTW you can see in the red oxide picture the places where I have put filler to mask the c/sink rivets. I think the original thin skin was augmented in strength by it being folded over by about 1cm. But with a thicker material I think it is justifiable to side step this detail.

You may well find that the angled support strips welded to the armour have 'Mary Rosed' themselves in that some may be too far gone & some although could be treated & preserved has undulated. It might make the locker engineering cleaner in application & geometry if you grind that off & replace it with new material.

I must confess that I was expecting to grind off existing angle edges and treat as a new blank background for the new panels that will simplify things somewhat. Really is determined by the fact that they are ast he 'Mary Rose' as you say.

I have noticed that the top locker slopes outwards and that the rear line mimics the rear slope of the rear doors etc. I note that the rear end also lines through with the bottom of the body sides, which some restorations have missed looking at FV1711's on Google.

When I measure up to create more details I will indeed show end elevations to both ends etc.

[FV1611A]

Originally Posted by fv1620

The long upper side lid when it folds down reveals not a matching rectangular space but a space that at each end is bordered by rounded upward extensions of the main outer wall.

Agreed! I believe that this is what you describe above?

[chrisgrove]

I do hope that everyone notices that this will be an RUC pig, not an Army one, as the army ones had side lockers that reached to the front of the rear wheel arches, not just to the top of them. Sorry, not an expert on the FV numbers.

The thread just below on Northern Ireland vehicles provides more detail.

Chris

[FV1611A]

Originally Posted by chrisgrove

I do hope that everyone notices that this will be an RUC pig, not an Army one, as the army ones had side lockers that reached to the front of the rear wheel arches, not just to the top of them. Sorry, not an expert on the FV numbers.

The thread just below on Northern Ireland vehicles provides more detail.

Chris

Chris I assume you mean FV1620's FV1609 as it is complete and the pictures Clive posted are from his archive during conversion from a Mk 2 to the Original Mk 1.

You are quite right about the lockers. Whilst the shape is different the mechanics of them are similar apart from the RUC/ ARMY/ Development process deviations.

I am sure Clive (FV1620) can quote us chapter and verse on the differences and why etc.

[FV1611A]

Originally Posted by Alex Blair

Maybe I'm blind or stupid but what the hell is "Material 1.6MM" right at the top of the drawing..??

Thanks Alex for reminding me that I am blonde again.....

You are quite right to state that it is on there and I missed it.......

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally Posted by FV1611A

Thanks Alex for reminding me that I am blonde again.....

You are quite right to state that it is on there and I missed it.......

Thanks for the confirmation that I am still wandering around in the vertical..
Keep up the good work on the rebuild..