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07-03-10, 17:46
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Naming Conventions
I thought this post had finally run its course. What is even more surprising is that after the couple of weeks that this post has been on this forum that we now get some last minute input on how officially recognized 1940s names for Allied armoured vehicles somehow relates to made-up names by 1990s re-enactors for web-equipment.
Sure, the US 1940s maintenance manuals for the various US vehicles do not make reference to 'Sherman', 'Stuart' or 'Lee'; but have a look at the Second World War British vehicle manuals and they do make reference to those names. Just in case anyone is unfamiliar with these various names, the names such as 'Sherman', 'Lee', 'Grant' and 'Staghound' originated from British sources to denote the various armoured vehicles and these names are used in Second World War military documents when reporting vehicle strengths. At no time have I ever read of a unit during the Second World War reporting that it is holding 30 sets of 'Bren-bras'. As for the age old excuse by those who like to dispute terminology, or anything military for that matter, but have no primary source material to back-up their arguments is, 'I was told by a Veteran'. That is all well and good but that excuse really does not add much to any discussion. Veterans are great people and we as a society owe them more than we can ever repay. I have a huge respect for Veterans, but and this is important, their recallections are just that, memories. What a Veteran remembers from 60 or 70 years ago has been clouded and altered over time. Veterean statements are only just one piece of the puzzle and should be regarded as that. Unfortunately, it is a well-used, all encompasing excuse employed as a smoke screen when no other proof can be provided. The underlying topic of this discussion is that there are real, official names for much of this kit and equipment, whether it is for vehicles or for clothing. There is no reason to go and invent new names; so please, do not mistake the fanciful terms made up by re-enactors as any official or unofficial terminology, especially when for most, all they can bring to the table to defend their point is 'I was told by a Veteran'. 
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08-03-10, 17:24
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That'll be quite enough, thank you. I will tolerate NO personal attacks on MLU, regardless of whether you're right or wrong. In this case, there's probably an element of truth in what you ALL say - and certainly in Ed's correct identification. The rest is hear-say and is most likely based upon some truth or another, but is totally irrelevant to this conversation.
Jordan, I don't care whether you hate Ed Storey's guts (for whatever reason), but you will NOT bring this onto MLU. Sort this out on your own time. Understood? Jif
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08-03-10, 22:18
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No problemo Geoff, How could I hate a mans guts with all the knowledge
 he has stored inside of him for stuff that I love.As for my previous (now unmentionable) posts they were "just a tad" tounge in cheek.  All in good humour my good friend.  I thought thats how they would be taken to "relieve" some of the strain and stress that was going on from those dreaded past few weeks.For the record (if it matters) I too like to use the proper names for things. In the grand scheme of things (life) this stuff is pretty insignificant and this brings me back to my bit up above about being humourous. But I will try my bestest to tone it down a wee bit if thats ok.  (dont' realy get the skipping sheep but its there)
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08-03-10, 23:16
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No Problem
No worries from this end Jordan, I missed the post and I can understand how the heat of the moment may have prevailed.
Knowledge, who said anything about knowledge about this stuff, perhaps it is all BS... Anyway, I guess as long as we all keep it in perspective that we are discussing old army junk things will be okay. Cheers, ED
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09-03-10, 01:29
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I love it when everyone kisses and makes up.
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09-03-10, 01:53
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Officer training..??
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Clive.. I wouldn't know about ass kissing..I never made it to officer candidate school.. Still in the ranks..very rank..and damned proud of it.. Enjoy your holiday and I'll try to be nice to the young ladies at Gracies on the 18March..at 5 PM.. We will miss your silly grin.. (Rob,PM me for personal instruction ,again,on "The big hand...."")
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09-03-10, 02:09
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Even before commissioning I wasn't into officer bashing just for the sake of doing it. I have run across good and bad officers and good and bad rankers. (Still have to meet a 'good' airman though
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11-03-10, 02:25
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11-03-10, 02:30
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I hadn't thought of that and now will have to go and get an elective frontal lobotomy to permanently excise that image from my mind. 
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