When did production of the #13 cab begin?

[Jason Ginn]

The Infoex lists a 13 cab Ford F15a that was owned by Harry Salens with a build date of 1942/02/15 but no serial or engine number is recorded.

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[Jason Ginn]

The database on the Canadian Register website includes the following examples with relevant dates.

Late 12 cab Chevys:

No. 42 Cab Chev Portee, Model 8440X2 fitted with a 7G1 body, located in Leics, UK.

Build date: Nov 21 - 1941
Chassis number: 1844031825
Engine number: 3742886
Contract: SM2028
Registration number: CL4595318


Late 12 cab Fords:

No. 12 Cab F8 WIRE. Located in Essex, UK.

Build date: Nov 13 - 1941
Chassis number: 21825
Engine number:2G-49525-F
Contract: SM2014


No. 12 Cab F8 GS. Located in Devon, UK.

Build Date: Nov 17 -1941
Chassis number: 21922
Engine number: 2G-49764-F
Contract: SM392


The Database on the OLD CMP website contains the following:

No. 13 Cab Ford F60s 448M. Located at a Sawmill in Daylesford, Aust.

Build Date: Mar 13 -1942
Chassis number: 37206
Engine number: 3G-19676-F
Contract: SM2104

So the Ford changeover was between November 17, 1941 and March 13, 1942 (I am a hesitant to include the Salens truck dated February 15, 1942 without any supporting serial number information), and the Chev change was between November 21, 1941 and January 13, 1942.

Does anyone else have numbers that could narrow the changover windows down?

[david moore]

Apologies for somewhat off subject - but I'd like your e-mail address Jason. I've been trying to contact you re wiring of my cab 12 F8. If you wish use a PM or send to
davidandmarymoore@sympatico.ca
Cheers

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

I was impressed by the data off the January 1942-build Gas-2! That is the earliest known (to me) 1942 MODEL C60L, and was clearly an Oshawa build for the Canadian Government and not a) a Ministry of Supply order for Australia and b) a Holden-assembled truck.

I agree at the moment with the suggested dates, but early January 1942 as fars as GM is concerned is in my opinion spot-on. Windsor however may have been slightly earlier or later, and may even have mixed cabs on the lines depending on chassis: see Dr Gregg's book with both types in the plant.

[Lionelgee]

Originally Posted by David_Hayward

I was impressed by the data off the January 1942-build Gas-2! That is the earliest known (to me) 1942 MODEL C60L, and was clearly an Oshawa build for the Australian Government and not a) a Ministry of Supply order for Australia and b) a Holden-assembled truck.

I agree at the moment with the suggested dates, but early January 1942 as fars as GM is concerned is in my opinion spot-on. Windsor however may have been slightly earlier or later, and may even have mixed cabs on the lines depending on chassis: see Dr Gregg's book with both types in the plant.

Hello David and other MLU people. On this thread a couple of people have mentioned Dr Gregg's book. Could someone please provide some details of the book/s and if they are still available - plus where from for how much? See I only had a couple of questions to ask

Kind Regards
Lionel

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

They are BLUEPRINT FOR VICTORY Parts/Volumes 1, 2 and 3:

http://www.rcakitshop.net/catalog/in...ae6fea6a3944f2

I think I have a few copies now of Volume 3, and I also have a signed copy of Volume 2 which is a limited edition plastic folder with printed pages in aort of looseleaf arrangement, ideal for modelers. There is a photo in there in connection, from memory, relating to Ford's introduction of a serial number system, of # 12 and 13 cabs parked in a building when new. I suspect that the photo was out of the National Archives but have yet to find it.

The books are excellent, and Volume 1 I gather has been reprinted so my copy must be one of the last of the later printing. They have stood the test of time very well, but I have updated a lot of the information therein, from the Archives, and also sources not available to Bill Gregg at the time. I regret that Sid Swallow died before I was able to communicate with him but I did exchange letters with Fords/ Canadian Mechanization HQ's Herb Ronson, although he died not long after I last heard from him; his brother who worked on Carriers at Fords survived him but I never contacted him.

That all said I keep finding nuggets of new information about the British assembly operations, usually from obscure files in the Archives, and I thus never stop improving my own literary work. I am just about to publish a two-parter on the Canadian Mechanization Depot at Citroen cars in Slough, Buckinghamshire, in VINTAGE ROADSCENE magazine. I wrote about the Southampton CMD in issue 110, and have published my work on the origins of CMPs in past issues of VRS (13 I think!). However I could not have done it without more than a nod of assistance from Bill's books.

[Ryan]

It's been a couple of years since this thread was added too.
Has anyone in that time come across new trucks or data plates to narrow down the cab 13 production start point?