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Old 29-09-09, 01:47
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The 10 stud hubs are the standard Chev commercial hubs of the day and have nothing to do with CMPs. You might be lucky to find a pre-war Chev truck to salvage the 20" wheels from, but where??? This truck has had the guards widened to fit the 18" D^D wheels, but it is not an MCP. There WAS a version of the Chev truck fitted with 2wd CMP parts and this was the CC60L MCP.

Chevs are too confusing, Tony, stick with a Ford.
Tony I couldnt agree more about sticking with Fords.

But just look at the poor old girl - sitting there - all alone - neglected - unloved.

What about the theory of removing every second stud and fitting 20's with 5 stud pattern? I'll give it a go if no-ones sure and report back?

Does anyone have any info on say, scarifier tyre sizes?
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Old 29-09-09, 10:40
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Tony I couldnt agree more about sticking with Fords.

But just look at the poor old girl - sitting there - all alone - neglected - unloved.

What about the theory of removing every second stud and fitting 20's with 5 stud pattern? I'll give it a go if no-ones sure and report back?
The Chev 10 stud pattern uses smaller dia studs on a smaller PCD than the regular "wide 5" pattern used on other trucks. And 40's Fords have a different stud PCD to the more common Dodge/Inter truck wheels of the 60's and 70's.

Bob McNeill has raised a pertinent point regarding the spacers for the hubs (or spacing of the rims).

The pre-war 20inch wheels used on Fords and Chevs generally ran smaller tyres such as 6.00-20 or 7.00-20, while later trucks went to sizes such as 7.50-20 and 8.25-20. There are specific rims to suit each of these tyre sizes, and in some cases hubs too. The obvious reason is that wider tyres will require a wider rim, and dual wheels will need greater offset so the wider tyres dont foul each other when "bagged" out under load. But a more specific reason is that the centreline of the front tyre must be in a particular position in relation to the Kingpin Axis for it to steer safely and acheive optimal tyre wear. Putting a large dia tyre on a rim with offset for a smaller tyre will have the contact point in the wrong place. With the contact point in the wrong spot, steering effort will be increased. There was not a lot of camber and caster adjustment built into the design (ie: Nil!) of the front end, so it is critical that the correct combination of bits is used to set it up safely.
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Old 30-09-09, 06:10
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The Chev 10 stud pattern uses smaller dia studs on a smaller PCD than the regular "wide 5" pattern used on other trucks. And 40's Fords have a different stud PCD to the more common Dodge/Inter truck wheels of the 60's and 70's.

Bob McNeill has raised a pertinent point regarding the spacers for the hubs (or spacing of the rims).

The pre-war 20inch wheels used on Fords and Chevs generally ran smaller tyres such as 6.00-20 or 7.00-20, while later trucks went to sizes such as 7.50-20 and 8.25-20. There are specific rims to suit each of these tyre sizes, and in some cases hubs too. The obvious reason is that wider tyres will require a wider rim, and dual wheels will need greater offset so the wider tyres dont foul each other when "bagged" out under load. But a more specific reason is that the centreline of the front tyre must be in a particular position in relation to the Kingpin Axis for it to steer safely and acheive optimal tyre wear. Putting a large dia tyre on a rim with offset for a smaller tyre will have the contact point in the wrong place. With the contact point in the wrong spot, steering effort will be increased. There was not a lot of camber and caster adjustment built into the design (ie: Nil!) of the front end, so it is critical that the correct combination of bits is used to set it up safely.
Thanks Tony... again and to you Bob. Critical info to stop me finishing up over a Cliff or as paintwork on the bull bar of an oncoming Kenworth.
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Old 30-09-09, 06:41
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Critical info to stop me finishing up over a Cliff
I'd rather you did not finish up over me thank you!
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Old 01-10-09, 02:15
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Two other questions I'll pester you Chev lads about..

Does the truck have a four speed gearbox?

Has anyone got any photo's of the metal bits of an old timber back? Meaning recent shot's of one that's an original. (Ambitious I know, but here's hoping)
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Two other questions I'll pester you Chev lads about..

Has anyone got any photo's of the metal bits of an old timber back? Meaning recent shot's of one that's an original. (Ambitious I know, but here's hoping)
you mean like these? Photos taken by Tony Smith so he may have high Res one's you can beg
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Old 01-10-09, 15:42
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Photos taken by Tony Smith so he may have high Res one's you can beg
If you're willing to beg, I can do better than the same 'ol pics. I could get detail pics of that tray and measurements.
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Old 29-09-09, 11:00
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Tony I couldnt agree more about sticking with Fords.

But just look at the poor old girl - sitting there - all alone - neglected - unloved.

What about the theory of removing every second stud and fitting 20's with 5 stud pattern? I'll give it a go if no-ones sure and report back?

Does anyone have any info on say, scarifier tyre sizes?
G'day Tony,

Ah looking at old Chevy's aye! They are not a bad old truck I like them until up to 1946 - after 46 they just do not look the same. Go on look at the Chevy .... Chevy ... Chevy it will not bite. If a dyed in the wool Holden fan like me can start looking at those F word trucks so can you look at the opposition - under restricted conditions of course. Chevy .... Chevy ... Chevy

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Old 29-09-09, 11:40
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Tony I couldnt agree more about sticking with Fords.

But just look at the poor old girl - sitting there - all alone - neglected - unloved.

What about the theory of removing every second stud and fitting 20's with 5 stud pattern? I'll give it a go if no-ones sure and report back?

Does anyone have any info on say, scarifier tyre sizes?
G'day Tony,

Now who was it who posted something like this a while ago on the restoration forum ....

Trouble with the 'f' word eh?

It's OK to like Chev's, the Ford guys understand......

Some blokes like blokes too!

Seriously what Robert said is spot on!


Now you are looking a Chevrolets assembled by Holden....

On a more serious note - I am going to the place where I bought my Chevrolet 1940 truck from and another place nearby with plenty of wheels - not 18 inch ones which will fit that truck plus some grilles in better condition than that one. If you are interested I can take some photos and send some information to you about any goodies you might need - if you really are going to do the right thing and resurrect the highly deserving old Chevy workhore - oops I am showing my favourtism towards Chevys again.

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Old 29-09-09, 12:52
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G'day Tony,

Now who was it who posted something like this a while ago on the restoration forum ....
Trouble with the 'f' word eh?
It's OK to like Chev's, the Ford guys understand......
Some blokes like blokes too!
Seriously what Robert said is spot on!

Now you are looking a Chevrolets assembled by Holden....
On a more serious note - I am going to the place where I bought my Chevrolet 1940 truck from and another place nearby with plenty of wheels - not 18 inch ones which will fit that truck plus some grilles in better condition than that one. If you are interested I can take some photos and send some information to you about any goodies you might need - if you really are going to do the right thing and resurrect the highly deserving old Chevy workhore - oops I am showing my favourtism towards Chevys again.
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Oohhhh Tony, It has come back to bight you. Serves yourself right for being bicmpual...
BTW Lionel, Exactly what is a "workhore"??
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Old 29-09-09, 13:19
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Oohhhh Tony, It has come back to bight you. Serves yourself right for being bicmpual...
BTW Lionel, Exactly what is a "workhore"??
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It is either a truck that keeps on giving and giving for a price or maybe I missed tapping the "s" key in the right place.
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Old 30-09-09, 01:59
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Oohhhh Tony, It has come back to bight you. Serves yourself right for being bicmpual...
BTW Lionel, Exactly what is a "workhore"??
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Perhaps the new term for liking Fords & Chevs is "workhore"?
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Old 30-09-09, 02:04
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G'day Tony,

Now who was it who posted something like this a while ago on the restoration forum ....

Trouble with the 'f' word eh?

It's OK to like Chev's, the Ford guys understand......

Some blokes like blokes too!

Seriously what Robert said is spot on!


Now you are looking a Chevrolets assembled by Holden....

On a more serious note - I am going to the place where I bought my Chevrolet 1940 truck from and another place nearby with plenty of wheels - not 18 inch ones which will fit that truck plus some grilles in better condition than that one. If you are interested I can take some photos and send some information to you about any goodies you might need - if you really are going to do the right thing and resurrect the highly deserving old Chevy workhore - oops I am showing my favourtism towards Chevys again.

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Lionel anything, any help any time would be greatly appreciated & invaluable.

I guess all I can say is "you got me"

I just honestly cant stand the thought of the poor old thing rotting away in a paddock.
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Lionel anything, any help any time would be greatly appreciated & invaluable.

I guess all I can say is "you got me"

I just honestly cant stand the thought of the poor old thing rotting away in a paddock.
G'day Tony,
Yep sure did get you to rue those words hey! Yes, you can't leave any decent sort of truck to rot away in a paddock. Not even a Chevy aye!

Send me a PM with your details and I will email a load of photos on Friday or post them to you via snailmail -after I spend a happy day fossicking in the old truck Valhalla.

Leeann is even coming too - somewhat reluctantly I must admit.

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It's a four-speed - if you look you can see the 'reverse' lever on the side of the shift rod.
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Old 03-10-09, 03:51
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It's a four-speed - if you look you can see the 'reverse' lever on the side of the shift rod.
Thanks Rob

Just to clarify what I meant - does the gearbox have 4 forward gears & 1 reverse. Or 3 forward gears and 1 reverse?

Is the box the same as what was used in a Chev Blitz (CMP)?
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G'day All, A 4 speed box is just that '4 forward gears' + reverse cheers Dennis
ps reverse is never counted in the 'speeds factor' unless maybe it's a 'Champ',,.
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