Its infectious
 

Made this discovery the other day. Actually Ive known about its location for a while.

Spoke to Max H this morning & promised I'd send some pictures.

Poor old girl needs some love & attention.

Any info on her would be great. My understanding thus far is it is a Chev truck with blitz running gear (that's how they came from the factory) 2wd with 3 speed gearbox (or is that I just couldnt get it into fourth?). Militarized with tow hook & 18inch rims.

Timber back (which obviously has completely gone), what do the metal bits for the tray look like (I think I might have some - not sure)

Hope everyones having as much fun as I am. If I could make a career of this sort of stuff, I would.

A few more pictures
 

More to help with specific dates and type of truck - hopefully.

1941 Chevrolet. Either a 30cwt or more likely a 3 tonner. Holden assembled with Holden built cab. Which model it is depends on it's wheelbase. The front mudguards have extra sheetmetal attached. If you look at the line by the headlight that is where the original cut out guards came to.

Below is two photos of what the vehicle probaby looked like when new.

BTW the CMP used running gear from this type of Chevrolet NOT the other way round

Grateful
 

Great info Cliff once again. Sorry about my faux pas with the cmp/chev bits. Does this mean the truck has a four speed box & that I just could get it in the gate?

Incidently - how difficult is it to get 18 inch tyres & tubes to suit??

Is that your truck in the first picture - it looks fantastic. :thup:

Tony my "Truck" is pictured below with me sitting in it :thup2: I don't own a real motor vehicle and while that Chev in the photo is an Aussie Truck I think it is from somewhere down your way. Also not sure about the gearbox and this truck would be about the same size as your CMP with body/tilt etc. on it

as to 18inch tyres I think the correct size is a case of...."You want what size????? ha ha ha ha ha :yappy:

Hmmm a challenge then...
 

Thanks Cliff,

Hmmmm Yes.. I was not long off this thread when I realised the 18inch rim question has been asked before (only about 10 threads ago) :doh:

They look like a nightmare to find - nevertheless to a MLUer, it simply makes the hunt & chase all that more interesting :smoker:

Max informs me it may be possible to remove 5 of the ten wheel studs in the drum (every second one)& then put 20 inch rims on. Anyone want to comment on that??

Apparently some of the front wheels on tractors (the ploughing type not the gun type) also have 18 inch rims???

Many thanks again Cliff for information.

Tony, something for you to drool over

Geez Max
 

That's Robert Farmers beast isnt it?

Or is it one that you've got in shed 24.

Whats on for next month....post holes? fencing? Cattle work?

Clevo'll be good I promise!!!

next month
 

digging thistles and then cups of tea and cake
Max

Emma has a bigger list me

I'll be there for the coffee & cakes Max :coffee LOL!

Roberts truck is nice but I think the massively cut out mudguards with the small tyres looks a bit funny. Needs to have the bigger wheels like this one has. I'm sure Max remembers this one don't you Max? :D

Not sure about removing the studs but it may be possible to just swap drums if they are the same size as 5 stud drums. I think this may have happened in earlier years when farmers who purchased ex military trucks could not find 18 inch tyres. They just changed the drums, wheels and tyre size to what was commonly available. As it says in the 18 inch tyre thread there is 18in tractor tyres available but not in suitable tread patterns. :teach: :)

The 10 stud hubs are the standard Chev commercial hubs of the day and have nothing to do with CMPs. You might be lucky to find a pre-war Chev truck to salvage the 20" wheels from, but where??? This truck has had the guards widened to fit the 18" D^D wheels, but it is not an MCP. There WAS a version of the Chev truck fitted with 2wd CMP parts and this was the CC60L MCP.

Chevs are too confusing, Tony, stick with a Ford.

Look at that you learn something new everyday Tony. I did not know that the 10 stud wheels were standard Chev truck.

But I agree with Tony about sticking to Fords! :thup2:

caution
 

The change in rims also meant a change hubs, if you want to fit the 20" you will have to fit comercial hubs Or the spacer to maintain pivot point of the tyre.

sure do Cliff, I go and visit the old girl from time to time
Max

Fords - so much easier
 

Tony I couldnt agree more about sticking with Fords.

But just look at the poor old girl - sitting there - all alone - neglected - unloved.

What about the theory of removing every second stud and fitting 20's with 5 stud pattern? I'll give it a go if no-ones sure and report back?

Does anyone have any info on say, scarifier tyre sizes?

The Chev 10 stud pattern uses smaller dia studs on a smaller PCD than the regular "wide 5" pattern used on other trucks. And 40's Fords have a different stud PCD to the more common Dodge/Inter truck wheels of the 60's and 70's. :(

Bob McNeill has raised a pertinent point regarding the spacers for the hubs (or spacing of the rims).

The pre-war 20inch wheels used on Fords and Chevs generally ran smaller tyres such as 6.00-20 or 7.00-20, while later trucks went to sizes such as 7.50-20 and 8.25-20. There are specific rims to suit each of these tyre sizes, and in some cases hubs too. The obvious reason is that wider tyres will require a wider rim, and dual wheels will need greater offset so the wider tyres dont foul each other when "bagged" out under load. But a more specific reason is that the centreline of the front tyre must be in a particular position in relation to the Kingpin Axis for it to steer safely and acheive optimal tyre wear. Putting a large dia tyre on a rim with offset for a smaller tyre will have the contact point in the wrong place. With the contact point in the wrong spot, steering effort will be increased. There was not a lot of camber and caster adjustment built into the design (ie: Nil!) of the front end, so it is critical that the correct combination of bits is used to set it up safely.

Chevy Aye!
 

G'day Tony,

Ah looking at old Chevy's aye! They are not a bad old truck I like them until up to 1946 - after 46 they just do not look the same. Go on look at the Chevy .... Chevy ... Chevy it will not bite. If a dyed in the wool Holden fan like me can start looking at those F word trucks so can you look at the opposition - under restricted conditions of course. Chevy .... Chevy ... Chevy

Kind Regards
Lionel

2nd Phot of Chevy
 

G'day Cliff,

I have a copy of the photo of the second Chevrolet from the AWM. Since first seeing the truck I have wondered about its tonnage, as it seems to have a longer nose than other Chevys. Is this right or my eyes playing tricks? The three ton stores Chevrolet photo that is.

Kind Regards
Lionel

Storage Boxes on truck trays
 

G'day Tony,

Would you have any more images of the Chevy truck with storage boxes on the right hand side of the bed like in photo c61674.jpg? Most of the truck photos I have seen (not including the ones from Cliff which I am still working my way through - thanks Cliff) are all clean.

Kind Regards
Lionel

I just remembered something....
 

G'day Tony,

Now who was it who posted something like this a while ago on the restoration forum ....

Trouble with the 'f' word eh?

It's OK to like Chev's, the Ford guys understand......

Some blokes like blokes too!

Seriously what Robert said is spot on!

Now you are looking a Chevrolets assembled by Holden....

On a more serious note - I am going to the place where I bought my Chevrolet 1940 truck from and another place nearby with plenty of wheels - not 18 inch ones which will fit that truck plus some grilles in better condition than that one. If you are interested I can take some photos and send some information to you about any goodies you might need - if you really are going to do the right thing and resurrect the highly deserving old Chevy workhore - oops I am showing my favourtism towards Chevys again.

Kind Regards
Lionel

That photo shows a lend lease Chev fully imported and not one of the Holden Cab/assembled trucks like yours Lionel. Just browsed through my Chev photos which you have a copy of and can see no more of that truck but there was a thread on the lendlease Chevs I think not all that long ago. :)

Tony you could always build the old Chev into this model as then it would be of some use recovering other goodies for your collection :thup2:

Photo from the factory photo disc from Service Publications that I received just recently

:nono:It's your eyes playing tricks :teach:

Lend Lease Chevy
 

Hello CLiff,

I did not pick out from the photo that it was a lend lease cab. You have good eyes Cliff.

I am still a bit dubious about the photo because I originally was looking at a lend lease 1942 Chevy and have photos of it sent to me before I bought my 1940. Plus there was another Chevy which was lend lease at the same time and place where I got my truck from which I had to choose from. I still reckon that the nose - (cowl?) seems to look shorter in these trucks than the 3 ton stores truck.

Working at a university which has a photo lab I had a mate do a poster sized collage of photos I copied from some where and had my old truck in the centre as a bit of inspiration of what my truck will look like one day. Of the ten other trucks -all Chevys 1940-42 that 3 ton stores truck stands out as being different in the engine bay ... cowl... nose section. However it could be just a different angle or a distoration in the image between the 1940s and now.

Kind Regards
Lionel

Owitch!
 

Oohhhh Tony, It has come back to bight you. Serves yourself right for being bicmpual... :nono:
BTW Lionel, Exactly what is a "workhore"??
Kind Regards,
Howard
(He who never makes spelling, typos or ever contradicts himself!)

What is a workhore
 

It is either a truck that keeps on giving and giving for a price or maybe I missed tapping the "s" key in the right place.;)
Kind Regards
Lionel

Coming out of the Closet
 

Perhaps the new term for liking Fords & Chevs is "workhore"?

Very interested
 

Lionel anything, any help any time would be greatly appreciated & invaluable.

I guess all I can say is "you got me" :thup:

I just honestly cant stand the thought of the poor old thing rotting away in a paddock. :(

Workhore
 

G'day Tony,
Yep sure did get you to rue those words hey! Yes, you can't leave any decent sort of truck to rot away in a paddock. Not even a Chevy aye!

Send me a PM with your details and I will email a load of photos on Friday or post them to you via snailmail -after I spend a happy day fossicking in the old truck Valhalla.

Leeann is even coming too - somewhat reluctantly I must admit.

Kind Regards
Lionel