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Old 18-06-09, 22:48
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David/ Keith,
Be careful when considering the C30 & F30 transfer cases. These were fitted with two speed transfer cases on special variants, i.e. Derrick and LAAT versions, certainly on the 11, 12 and 13 cab versions. (I only know this as my 42 LAAT C30 has a 2 speed transfer case, and I know of an F30 LAAT also with a 2 speed transfer case)
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Old 18-06-09, 22:56
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David/ Keith,
Be careful when considering the C30 & F30 transfer cases. These were fitted with two speed transfer cases on special variants, i.e. Derrick and LAAT versions, certainly on the 11, 12 and 13 cab versions. (I only know this as my 42 LAAT C30 has a 2 speed transfer case, and I know of an F30 LAAT also with a 2 speed transfer case)
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You're probably absolutely correct Keith. I was basing my comments on the assumption the F30 was a stretched F15A. Our ambulances were supposed to be on F30 chassis but the data plates say F60S. They do have 16" wheels and the higher ratio diffs. So the defining features of a F30 are 473 steering and smaller steering ends, 16" wheels and no helper springs?
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Old 19-06-09, 13:50
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Keith,
Agree with the steering, 16" wheels, smaller steering knuckles/ ends, but the
helper springs appeared again on the special variants, possible because of their intended use.
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P.S. I didn't realise until a couple of weeks ago that the air vents on a 13 cab (Ford or Chev) are different here, as compared to yours in Australia.
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Old 19-06-09, 13:57
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Keith,
Agree with the steering, 16" wheels, smaller steering knuckles/ ends, but the
helper springs appeared again on the special variants, possible because of their intended use.
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Keith
P.S. I didn't realise until a couple of weeks ago that the air vents on a 13 cab (Ford or Chev) are different here, as compared to yours in Australia.
It's only the Australian Chevs which are different, and this is one of a host of differences in the Holden-built cabs including such things as floors, windscreen frames and even the frame closing mechanism. The rectangular vent was a standard Holden shape used on many vehicles as were the little diecast locking arms on the lower part of each windscreen frame.

We didn't build round hatches but we did have the magnificent invention of the Sunshine Roof. And you can thank Australian innovation for windscreens which open 90 degrees rather than the 30 degrees of the originals.
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Old 21-06-09, 20:57
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Hi Keith,
I had a certain person(great charater) in Normandy a few weeks ago, pointing out the differences between our CMP's and your Aussie built ones, all very interesting stuff. Tell me, were the Holden built CMP's, built under license from Canada ?. And yes I do like your sunshine roof version !
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Old 21-06-09, 21:45
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Hi Keith,
I had a certain person(great charater) in Normandy a few weeks ago, pointing out the differences between our CMP's and your Aussie built ones, all very interesting stuff. Tell me, were the Holden built CMP's, built under license from Canada ?. And yes I do like your sunshine roof version !
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Hi Keith

Because Holden were a GM subsidiary there would have been no need for a licence. I would simply have been a matter of saving shipping space and the fact they had the capacity for production here. The chassis, engine and running gear were all imported from Canada.
So which great character was showing you? Almost all CMP enthusiasts fit that description! There's even a certain Swiss CMP-er with a lot of knowledge about such things as sunshine roofs.
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Old 21-06-09, 21:51
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There's even a certain Swiss CMP-er with a lot of knowledge about such things as sunshine roofs.
... thank you Keefy, but my knowledge about CMPs and sunshine roofs is rather poor. Still waiting for the "Blitz Bible" to look everything up someone would have to know about CMPs.
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Old 21-06-09, 23:44
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David/ Keith,
Be careful when considering the C30 & F30 transfer cases. These were fitted with two speed transfer cases on special variants, i.e. Derrick and LAAT versions, certainly on the 11, 12 and 13 cab versions. (I only know this as my 42 LAAT C30 has a 2 speed transfer case, and I know of an F30 LAAT also with a 2 speed transfer case)
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Keith
thats interesting as the Cab11, C30 that we have does have a 2 speed transfer case,so does that mean we have a special variant??
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Old 22-06-09, 00:36
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The C30-03 parts manual makes no mention of a single speed transfer case that I can find.
There are 2 different shift mechanisms listed, both have the linkage to change range. One shift mechanism uses a separate lever to control the PTO with no obvious connection to the lever that controls front wheel drive, range and neutral so it seems that it would have been possible to have the PTO engaged while driving.
There is also reference to transfer cases with and without PTO.
Also at least 2 different cases that use different bearings (and one type of case can be substituted for another if suitable shims are used with the bearings).
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Old 22-06-09, 07:15
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I had no problem fitting a Chev 2 speed transfer case to my F30.
The shift tower mounting arm on the Ford case has to be removed and bolted to the Chev case. So it would seem that they are interchangeable.
I can see no mention of a single speed transfer case for F30 and above in the illustrated parts manual.
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Old 22-06-09, 09:09
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I had no problem fitting a Chev 2 speed transfer case to my F30.
The shift tower mounting arm on the Ford case has to be removed and bolted to the Chev case. So it would seem that they are interchangeable.
I can see no mention of a single speed transfer case for F30 and above in the illustrated parts manual.
The Chev 2 speed transfer case doesn't have any provision to mount the arm so perhaps you have found a Ford case in a Chev?
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Old 22-06-09, 10:15
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The Chev 2 speed transfer case doesn't have any provision to mount the arm so perhaps you have found a Ford case in a Chev?
You are correct Keith, I just went out in the frost to have a good look. I thought I had bought a professionally rebuilt Chev box, ( would have preferred a Ford). It looks like a mix and match job. No wonder it was easy to fit.
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Old 22-06-09, 10:33
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You are correct Keith, I just went out in the frost to have a good look. I thought I had bought a professionally rebuilt Chev box, ( would have preferred a Ford). It looks like a mix and match job. No wonder it was easy to fit.
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