Carrier Scout Mark 1 L

Lynn Eades · #1 22-05-08, 12:21

The Scout looks like a universal when veiwed from the right side and from the left side, has the long box on the top of the guard.

jim sewell · #2 22-05-08, 12:41

More pictures .
Regards
Jim S.

Lynn Eades · #3 22-05-08, 12:51

Can you put up a picture of the I.D. plate?

Bob Moseley (RIP) · #4 22-05-08, 13:03

The driver's compartment especially where the instrument panel sits. As it was obtained from the original owner, after the military that is, what is its provenance and did the owner have any annecdotes or photographs?

Bob

jim sewell · #5 22-05-08, 16:48

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Can you put up a picture of the I.D. plate?

Thats all the pic's that I have , it will be some time before more would be available.
Regards
Jim S.

Rob Beale · #6 22-05-08, 21:10

What a beauty! Although many panels are cut, there is such a lot of the body still there.
I agree with Lynn about the hinged rear panel, you can see the hinges in the third pic!

Good luck with the restoration!

Rob

Philliphastings · #7 23-02-09, 05:20

Hello all,

After a VERY long absence from this forum I have at last found the time to return. The Mk 1 Scout Carrier has been moved to a suitable work area and the long ground up restoration has commenced at last.

I have been very lucky indeed in finding a number of parts and fittings here in WA for the vehicle.

I am still looking for an instrument panel in any condition, some more british pattern track, complete or random links, a suitable engine and the gear between the gearbox and rear axle.

I have some loose Australian Pattern bren gun Carrier parts to trade.

Cheers

Phill

Nigel Watson · #8 30-08-09, 00:56

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Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

The Scout looks like a universal when veiwed from the right side and from the left side, has the long box on the top of the guard.

The Scout in the picture Lynn posts is most likely the prototype or certainly one of the first. It is based on the Machine Gun Carrier. Main recogniseable difference from the photograph is the lower position of the front track adjusting idler wheel, and the subsequent sloped mudguards over it. It looks as this great find that Jim shows has the early Bren features.
Wouldn't it be great if it turned out to be the one pictured entering Fort Capuzzi in North Africa?

Look forward to seeing it come to life.

Nigel

Philliphastings · #9 12-09-09, 16:56

Hello again Nigel,

Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.

I have been spending a lot of late nights examining Scout carrier pics from all over the world on the net with a strong magnifying glass. Apart from the inescapable fact that my Scout (RMY 682 or RMY 683) is within one or two digits of the Fort Capuzzi vehicle RMY 681, my left hand rear track guard is dented and distorted in an identical pattern to that shown in the Capuzzi photograph!
What are the chances they are one and the same vehicle ?

I would love to know for certain...

Cheers

Phill

Tony Smith · #10 13-09-09, 01:13

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Originally Posted by Philliphastings

Hello again Nigel,

Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.

I have been spending a lot of late nights examining Scout carrier pics from all over the world on the net with a strong magnifying glass. Apart from the inescapable fact that my Scout (RMY 682 or RMY 683) is within one or two digits of the Fort Capuzzi vehicle RMY 681, my left hand rear track guard is dented and distorted in an identical pattern to that shown in the Capuzzi photograph!
What are the chances they are one and the same vehicle ?

I would love to know for certain...

Cheers

Phill

Nigel, do you have a higher resolution copy of the picture from your book? What is the source, might there be other identifying pics in the series?

Phil, Could post a comparison shot from the same angle to confirm the ID?

PS the name of the Fort is Capuzzo. It copped a bit of artillery and chipped part of the name in the masonry.

Philliphastings · #11 14-09-09, 06:24

Hello Tony, yes I can email you the comparison shots if you PM me your email address. Still can't post direct to the site unfortunately.

The Fort Capuzzo shot appears in a number of publications I first saw it in my old copy of 'The first Victory' about the early battles in war in the desert.

What would really help put the matter to rest is if the original ledger of Hull numbers and registered numbers ever came to light.

Cheers

Phill

Lynn Eades · #12 14-08-10, 06:29

My trip to visit Phillip allowed me to learn a bit about the Scout.
The first pic shows that this Scout (possibly all of them) had no ice scrapers.
The second shows what the pedals were like in Scouts (and real Bren) carriers before universals. Much like Aust pattern carriers.
The third pic. shows the Scout front gunners apeture, different to anything else, in that it is narrow like the Brens, but the holes are placed for the Boyes rifle mount. Phillip is looking for one if anyone can help.
The forth pic. shows where the right rear folding plate should be. Note the curved air ducting common to the pre universal carriers, and the holes to the battery box, noting that the top of the rear hull is lower than a universal, and the battery box would meet the top of the engine covers. Bren and Scout carriers have a dog leg in the top of the engine cover.
The last picture shows the "Arens" fuel change over valve particular to the Scout. (I dont know if the Brens had these?)

Lynn Eades · #13 14-08-10, 23:32

Next is a pictre of the cold start cable, mount bracket, and instruction plate.
The is located in the air duct , behind the drivers left shoulder, as per the Bren carriers, and was adopted in the Aust. pattern carriers.
Second pictue is a close up of the plate.
Third is a box, that I haven't seen before,the description I will leave to Phillip.
Fourth. The wiring exit for the horn. (horn is incorrect)
Fifth. Muffler still in place. (after 70 years)

Lynn Eades · #14 15-08-10, 00:15

Here a top veiw of part of the engine cover.
A closer veiw of where the rear folding plate shoud be. one half of each hinge remains in place. The picture also shows on the left, the bracket for the jack handle stowage, and on the right, for the crank handle.
The original British steering wheel. Anyone have a spare?
My veiw of what I saw, Is that Phillip has a very tidy, almost all there, surface rust only, easy to restore, one off in the world, Scout carrier, with a history. I am extremely jealous!
There is some work to be done in repairing/replacing plates, sorting out the power unit etc., but a sand blast, and and paint will bring her up beautifully.

Colin Jones, would a man of your skills be able to patch those holes in the sides, or would you replace the plates?

I have questions for Nigel (Watson)

Q1. Nigel, the plate on the carrier states clearly enough that the T number is
T5329. The 74th in a batch of 296, that started at T5255, RMY609. If the were numbered consecutively This would make this carrier RMY682.
As RMY681 was built with the low front idler, Does this make this the first Scout built by Aveling Barford with the High idlers and later front guards?

Q2. The contract number on the plate is clearly C879 How does this fit into contract no. T6024? (what would tha prefix letter relate to?)

Q3 When were Nuffields contracts let, in relation to A.B. (before, after, same time) and how many did Nuffield build with low/ high idlers?