Vehicles used by Dutch Prinses Irene Brigade

[25pdrfg]

Thanks for the posts has anyone else got any of the No5 bodys in service That one was only 19 out on my truck service number.

[Rogier Peeters]

Another piece of the Artillery Tractor puzzle:
http://www.haagsebeeldbank.nl/zoeken...eld/bevrijding

Rier view of a FAT, census number H5558308. I thought that solved it, but then I read this:

"H 5558176 - 5558375 / SM 2546 / Tractor 4x4 F.A. / C291Q / F-GT

However HISTORIC MILITARY VEHICLES DIRECTORY P. 52 has a photo of a Chevrolet FAT marked up as ‘H5558307’!"

(see: http://www.btinternet.com/~gmhistorian/fordlist.htm )

Any thoughts?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Rogier Peeters

Another piece of the Artillery Tractor puzzle:
http://www.haagsebeeldbank.nl/zoeken...eld/bevrijding

Rier view of a FAT, census number H5558308. I thought that solved it, but then I read this:

"H 5558176 - 5558375 / SM 2546 / Tractor 4x4 F.A. / C291Q / F-GT

However HISTORIC MILITARY VEHICLES DIRECTORY P. 52 has a photo of a Chevrolet FAT marked up as ‘H5558307’!"

(see: http://www.btinternet.com/~gmhistorian/fordlist.htm )

Any thoughts?

Rogier,

Nice find and no worries. The picture David refers to is actually depicting a restored Chevrolet CGT which had a known PIB census number off a Ford FGT applied. I think I pointed this out before, must have been on the old forum.

Hanno

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Source: https://haagsgemeentearchief.nl/medi...0-b85fd4c4c3b6

[Rogier Peeters]

Thanks for the clarification Hanno, so we are indeed dealing with a Ford in the Haags archief foto?

I'm on the search for more pics now and found this. It's a vehicle of the Dutch troops as well. Any thoughts on the vehicle type would be appreciated.

Source: http://www.haagsebeeldbank.nl/hga:col1:dat298428

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Rogier Peeters

Thanks for the clarification Hanno, so we are indeed dealing with a Ford in the Haags archief foto?

From this angle I cannot see features to identify it as a Ford or Chevrolet. But based on the known census number range, it is a Ford FGT.

I'm on the search for more pics now and found this. It's a vehicle of the Dutch troops as well. Any thoughts on the vehicle type would be appreciated.

Great find! It looks like a Standard Utility Truck or "Tilly". See the attached pic (source: http://www.standardmotorclub.org.uk/...ures/tilly.htm)

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[chrisgrove]

Originally Posted by Rogier Peeters

Thanks for the clarification Hanno, so we are indeed dealing with a Ford in the Haags archief foto?

I'm on the search for more pics now and found this. It's a vehicle of the Dutch troops as well. Any thoughts on the vehicle type would be appreciated.

Source: http://www.haagsebeeldbank.nl/hga:col1:dat298428

This Standard Utility looks to me to be carrying the sign of the Czech Brigade (lion on blue shield with red cross). Trouble is, with pics of poor resolution, that the Dutch (PIB), Belgian and Czech Brigades all carried a reasonably similar lion (at least to my non-heraldicly trained eyes), and it is quite hard to tell them apart.

However, one of the items on this thread has already remarked that the AOS number 120 does not seem to be recorded as having been issued to anyone!

Aren't these challenges interesting?

Chris

[Rogier Peeters]

Thank you very much for your thoughts.

For comparison I've added the Dutch lion emblem as used by the PIB and the emblem of the Bevelhebber van de Nederlandse Strijdkrachten.

For the emblem of the Czech brigade see link. The Czech brigade seems to have used two-digit AOS numbers and was not in the Hague at the time the photo was taken.

[Peter Hommes]

What ever make they are (Which of cause if is of interest) the pictures are great to see thanks Hanno, We still have to make an appointment for the battles dresses.

Peter
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[Peter Hommes]

two picture of something else they used too.

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Peter
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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Guy Armoured Car in service with the Dutch Princess Irene Brigade. Somewhere in England, 1941.

And oh, the guy in the turret is Saint Nicolas and his mate.

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Another picture of a Bedford MW during the liberation of The Hague:

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Not vehicles, but soldiers. There is a Canadian connection though, as this picture shows Prinses Irene Brigade troops marching during their training in Stratford, Ontario, in February 1941.


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[Hanno Spoelstra]

As far as I know, nine Chevrolet and one Ford AT gun tractors were shipped to England.

This Chevrolet model 1939 (1-Ton) Anti-Tank Artillery Tractor Type PAG-C-1139 was given the census number "L1284691" in England. It was photographed during a 1940 exercise of the Princess Irene Brigade.

The second picture shows the same or another Chevrolet PAG Trekker.

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[chrisgrove]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Guy Armoured Car in service with the Dutch Princess Irene Brigade. Somewhere in England, 1941.

And oh, the guy in the turret is Saint Nicolas and his mate.

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Nice to see Zwarte Piet again. He seems to have become a fraction unfashionable!
Chris

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by chrisgrove

Nice to see Zwarte Piet again. He seems to have become a fraction unfashionable!
Chris

Is the Driver and person walking behind in similar attire?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by chrisgrove

Nice to see Zwarte Piet again. He seems to have become a fraction unfashionable!

Well yes, let's say that back in those days it wasn't objectionable to dress up like that.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Here's another one of the PAG-trekkers in the background.

Would be interested to know what vehicle is in the foreground.

"Princess Irene Brigade. A driver belonging to the first detachment of Dutch troops destined for the Dutch East Indies repairs a tire of a car in the camp of the Princess Irene Brigade in Wolverhampton. February 1942"

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