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Don't forget the Beaver Tails!!!
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Is there a smart person who can find the document mentioned earlier about Trophy Tanks? My Internet Wayback Machine search comes up blank.
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Terry,
I may not qualify as a smart person, but here are some links that may be of interest: Start of CMHQ file 1/War Trophy/1: https://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/o...96/589?r=0&s=1 One of the many documents that specifically deals with CT150503: https://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/o...96/687?r=0&s=1 End of CMHQ file 1/War Trophy/1: https://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/o...96/755?r=0&s=3 Happy reading! |
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I went to the end of the last URL, and pecked backwards. Messages on file make specific mention of "Marion", which I recognize as a Kangaroo name used on the Canadian War Museum's rebuild, was not to return to Canada.
So far I've seen well known names including "Forceful", "Bomb", and "Holy Roller". Other tanks are mentioned by census number, including a Stuart to the Lincoln and Welland, and a few which apparently survived from England to Holland. Whether these were DDay tanks like Bomb is to be researched. I just have to determine when those units arrived in Normandy.
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Gents,
Despite having read through 1/War Trophy/1 numerous times, I have only just noticed a significant discrepancy regarding "Cathy". The documents state that CT150503 was a 22 CAR (Canadian Grenadier Guards) tank, not a 12 CAR (Three Rivers Regiment) tank. Can anyone find close-up images of the plaque in front of "Cathy" to read the full inscription? I also found this: https://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/remem...s/details/7102 Has the actual regiment that operated this tank been forgotten through the passage of time? I will also note that the service history of "FORCEFUL" was forgotten for a number of years (late 1940s to 1980s) when it was in Borden prior to heading back to GGFG (displayed at Cartier Square Drill Hall, then CWM). It seems that some additional research is required. |
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The plot thickens,
The Montreal Gazette, 16 January 1946, page 7 of the scan (page 8 of the paper), slightly right of centre, “Tale of a Tank”: https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...rontpage&hl=en The article seems to clearly identify CT 150503 as “Ginny” belonging to 22 CAR. CT 150503 - Montreal Gazette 16 Jan 1946.jpg Last edited by Colin Alford; 08-04-21 at 22:06. Reason: Added screenshot |
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Apparently The ‘52 Natural’ was the Regimental Newspaper of the Canadian Grenadier Guards.
It seems that the 16 Jan 1946 Montreal Gazette article was condensed from an 11 Jul 1945 ‘52 Natural’ article: https://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/o...30/959?r=0&s=2 See attached. D4CD05D5-388A-4575-ACEA-B747D1C17D6A.jpeg |
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Tony Viste digged up a file listing T 150503 being in service with 3 Squadron of the 22 Cdn Armd Regt, ref. http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=12768 The files you refer to also show that the Sherman V CT150503 served with the 22 CAR and was to be sent back as a trophy. They wanted to bring home two tanks: CT232254 a 17-pdr Sherman, and CT150503 a 75-mm Sherman. Brigadier Macklin deemed it was "extravagant to allow any one regiment to take home two tanks". I do not know who and why choose to bring home CT150503 and leave behind CT232254. I wonder who changed CT 150503's name from Ginny to Cathy? Maybe this was done when it was retrofitted with a 17-pdr gun? Did anyone want it to look like CT 232254? Was CT-232254 named Cathy originally? Additional research is required indeed. image687.jpg image688.jpg
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From: https://www.silverhawkauthor.com/pos...anada-6-quebec
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![]() No reference is made on the plaque to the Sherman which is part of the memorial. Maybe that is where the confusion came from: CT150503 was an ex-22 CAR Sherman which somehow ended up as a memorial to the 12 CAR, which is why people now assume it is an ex-12 CAR Sherman? Why did it not stay in the custody of the 22CAR and why was it fitted with a 17-pdr gun? Again, additional research is required. 60f21cc91b12b768cb5e6403_M4A2-Sherman-17-pounder-Firefly--Trois-Rivieres--Quebec--3-plaque.jpg Source: https://www.silverhawkauthor.com/pos...anada-6-quebec
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Some more searching on the internet yielded more info: The Canadian Virtual Military Museum explains:
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