time to strip the old girl

ron · #1 14-06-07, 09:41

pic 1
I just gave it a quick spring clean just to see what I had

ron · #2 14-06-07, 09:42

pic 2

ron · #3 14-06-07, 09:44

pic 3

ron · #4 14-06-07, 09:48

4

ron · #5 14-06-07, 09:53

four hours later and she is stripped

ron · #6 14-06-07, 09:55

they need new rubber

ron · #7 14-06-07, 09:58

after a few hours work

ron · #8 14-06-07, 10:02

These are in beautiful condition inturnally

ron · #9 14-06-07, 10:05

just pulled the gear box

ron · #10 14-06-07, 10:09

transfer case

ron · #11 14-06-07, 10:12

gone missing?

ron · #12 14-06-07, 10:16

Showing markings and numbers on transfer case

Ryan · #13 14-06-07, 11:29

Sounds very much like it's from a Marmon Herrington light tank. The ones that landed here instead of the Dutch East Indies were models CTLS-4TAC or 4TA. Referred to Paul Handels book-' Dust, Sand and Jungle' for the info.
I take CTL to stand for " Combat Tank-Light"

Hope this helps. Great pics too.

ron · #14 14-06-07, 12:46

This is the track taken off the carrier most of it is in good condition and flexable

ron · #15 14-06-07, 12:50

This a pic of one side just to show you what it looks like, this carrier was fitted with British track

ron · #16 14-06-07, 12:58

This is a front on view, showing the brake system

ron · #17 14-06-07, 13:03

Showing right hand side

ron · #18 14-06-07, 13:10

This pic shows the drive parts that are conected to the sprockets

ron · #19 14-06-07, 13:21

This was taken at 2 PM four hours later,nothing left of any use in the hull, no numbers on this machine,I hope that you have enjoyed these pics,
Ron,

ron · #20 14-06-07, 13:34

Hello Ryan.
I was talking to the owner yesterday when we picked the old girl up, he is in his 50s, and told me the same story again as before, that his late father,and his late uncle fitted this carrier with and in his words with the gear box of a two man tank that came back from New Guinea, I had never asked him about the gear box he just came out with the information, at the least it makes it interesting
Regards,
Ron,

Hanno Spoelstra · #21 14-06-07, 23:13

Quote:

Originally posted by rynoki
Sounds very much like it's from a Marmon Herrington light tank. The ones that landed here instead of the Dutch East Indies were models CTLS-4TAC or 4TA. Referred to Paul Handels book-' Dust, Sand and Jungle' for the info.
I take CTL to stand for " Combat Tank-Light"

Ryan,

I agree with you, it confirms my conjecture when I read Ron's note about the two man tank.

Great find Ron! I guess you could contact the AWM and ask them if they are interested in it. I know they have a radio for this type of tank, forum member Mike Kelly saved it from oblivion. Before you know it, they have enough parts to reconstruct a Marmon Herrington CTL-4TAC / -4TAY "Two Man Tank"!

Regards,
Hanno

Hanno Spoelstra · #22 14-06-07, 23:24

Quote:

Originally posted by ron
These are in beautiful condition inturnally

Possibly the drives are ex-Marmon-Herrington tank, too?

H.

Lynn Eades · #23 15-06-07, 10:04

On the C.T.L., it stood for Canadian Tank Light.
Ron, I'm guessing that the hull "add on" is actually part of the tank that the trans came from. would that be the case?
What is the part with the Chrysler logo on it?
Hanno, are the drive sprockets from the tank?
Thanks Ron. I,m enjoying the thread

Ian Fawbert · #24 15-06-07, 10:06

Hi Ron,
Always enjoy following your thread of your finds. It is amazing how you keep coming up with them!

Quote:

the gear box of a two man tank that came back from New Guinea

Did you think to ask them where the tank is now? That might help figure out some things and also give you another thing to recover!

Cheers,
Ian.

ron · #25 15-06-07, 10:29

Well guys for what its wort here is a pic I took today of the sprocket drive end, I hope that you can see the letters
M H. C T L -6-5005. its not the best of photos, but its interesting

Regards,
Ron,

ron · #26 15-06-07, 10:54

Hi Ian.
The guy that I got this carrier from is about 48 or 50 years old his father and uncle told him that they did the conversion after the war, so the guy that I got it from would only have been a boy at best, I have asked him about other machines and there is nothing else there its only 160 acres but very steep in places
ron

ron · #27 15-06-07, 11:05

The logo is on the engine that I left behind, I agree with you I think that the add on is original and not a home made on farm job,thanks for your comments, see the post that I have put on the forum tonight showing the sprocket drive with the logo
M H
C T L-6-5005
Regards,
Ron,

ron · #28 15-06-07, 11:18

Hello Hanno,
The outside plate on the sprocket drive has
M H,
C T L-6-5005
It seems that what I had been told by the late owners son is all true,
Thanks for your interest and help,
are there any? or many of these tanks that have survived ?
Regards,
Ron,

Hanno Spoelstra · #29 15-06-07, 11:36

Quote:

Originally posted by Lynn Eades
On the C.T.L., it stood for Canadian Tank Light.

CTL stood for "Combat Tank, Light"; it had nothing to do with Canada.

H.

Hanno Spoelstra · #30 15-06-07, 12:11

Quote:

Originally posted by ron
Hello Hanno,
The outside plate on the sprocket drive has
M H,
C T L-6-5005
It seems that what I had been told by the late owners son is all true,
Thanks for your interest and help,
are there any? or many of these tanks that have survived ?

Hi Ron,

Yes! Another MH part. Could we ask you politely to save the add-on from the carrier hull remains too? I'm sure there is someone who has an interest in these MH parts. As far as I know, none of the Two Man tanks survived complete. Marmon Herrington historian Don Chew, Brighton, Colorado, USA, owns (or used to own) a lower hull. Reportedly, there are some (parts of scrapped ones) remaining in Surinam.
Some of the Three and Four man tanks did survive in South America, a couple of them ended up in the hands of collectors in the USA.

Lynn, I don't think the drive sprockets are from the tank. See the pic below to see what they looked like.

Regards,
Hanno'
http://www.geocities.com/marmonherrington/tank.html

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