C30 engine cover - Page 2

Phil Waterman · #31 08-09-06, 00:32

There are 30 individual pieces sheet metal used in fabricating the Dog House. I’ve done the drawing for about 10 of them so far but I’m getting much faster at imputing CAD drawings. I’m doing them at one to one scale so that it should be a matter of taking the drawings to a copy shop that can print the large architectural or engineering drawings and having them printed. Or you can print them on a regular printer and past the pages together. Daren don’t worry about the time I’m just sort of repaying the hobby because other people have done the same for me. Plus once the drawings are done somebody will get use out of them.

Jordan Baker · #32 08-09-06, 04:34

Interesting to see some slight differences in the dog houses. I know mine has the adaptations for the deep wading but it also has slightly different access panels. Instead of using a latch my has somthing similar to a thumb screw. The lower door also has the same style thumb screw and no hinges. There must have been a lip on the bottom edge of the door.

Also does anyone know what the panel bulge is for that the arrow is pointing to? Would that have also been part of the deep wading modifications?

Phil Waterman · #33 08-09-06, 15:18

I wonder if the scoop is intended to provide more room for ignition wire shielding I remember seeing something about this in the tech bulletins. Are the thumb screw closures actual screw type or are they quarter turn fasteners. Either way I never seen anything like them before.

Vic Eaton · #34 08-09-06, 20:17

HELLO PHIL
Many thanks for pictures of your truck .never seen that beforeand for the info on the generator most grateful i have noticed small differances in these engine covers i saw a ford one that had a raised edge around the top and on the bonnet lid it had a raised bump for the oil filler but never seen those two things on any other ford. i have now got my c15 ready for the road with new cylinder head and electronic ignition will let you know how it goes
regards vic uk .

Phil Waterman · #35 10-09-06, 18:28

Progress report on drawings of the Dog House, the drawings are done need to print proof copy and check all the dimensions. The attached sample is a dumb down image for MLU image restriction the actual print will be something like 48x53 inch full sized.

fc101daz · #36 14-09-06, 21:42

Hi Phil,
Looking good mate.I have been having trouble accessing the website over the last few days so couldn't acknowledge your work until now!!!!
Regards
Daren

David_Hayward (RIP) · #37 14-09-06, 22:25

I believe that the 'unknown' trucks were probably also WIRE-3:

3844123735 ENGINE WR3,937,085 ORDER S/M 6051 13 OCTOBER 12 1943
3844123813 ENGINE WR3,936,594
3844123892
3844124112 ENGINE # WR3,935,335 ORDER S/M 6051 OCTOBER 18 1943
3844124131 ENGINE WR3,936,949 ORDER S/M 6051 OCTOBER 18 1943
3844124222

S/M 6051 covered L 5584483 to 5585063 "LORRY 3 TON 4 X 4 WIRELESS (HOUSE)" and it seems that I have a copy of an official photo in my collection: IWM PHOTO KID 3042

Jordan Baker · #38 19-09-06, 03:24

Here are some up close pictures of the fastner device used on my dog house cover and its socket. All the other ones I have seen have been the more familiar latch type. Anyone else seen this type before?

Phil Waterman · #39 19-09-06, 14:20

Last week was vacation week for the wife so we were away most of the time.

I've got one more detail drawing to do of the curved section on the left side that goes around the air cleaner. Then I'll take the drawings out and have them proof printed. Want to check the dimensions as well as make sure somebody else can print them.

The quarter turn fastener look very similar to the those used on the vent covers on my radio box.

Phil Waterman · #40 15-10-06, 23:12

Well it took longer than I had hoped but just posted the drawings for the Pattern 12 Engine cover or Dog House. Still some bits missing but first lets find out if any body is able to open and use the files.

Sorry it took so long

Web page home page address is http://canadianmilitarypattern.com/
The actual drawing page is http://canadianmilitarypattern.com/P...20Drawings.htm

Lynn Eades · #41 16-10-06, 01:13

Firstly Phil, Just had a quick look at your site. You deserve a medal for services to history and your fellow restorers. what a help you must be to someone rebuilding a CMP.
Jordan,Are you familiar with a"Dzus" fastener (I think thats how it's spelt) any how they were used on Bedfords among other things. They came in two styles, firstly with the wingnut arrangement exactly the same as your fitting, and secondly, with just a slot for a screw driver or coin. The difference is the catch end. With the Dzus fastener, a wire is riveted accross the hole in the receiving panel. The screw has a helical slot cut into it's end. A quarter turn locks or unlocks the fastener. The screw part is usually located in the outer panel by a circlip. Yours may well be a variation of the Dzus fastener.
Is that clear as mud?

Jordan Baker · #42 16-10-06, 01:36

HI Lynn

Thanks for the information. I had not heard of them but I do understand the "mud" you just wrote.

Jordan

Lynn Eades · #43 16-10-06, 02:36

Did a quick google searchfor Dzus, and found this under DFCI solutions.

Lynn Eades · #44 16-10-06, 02:37

And this

fc101daz · #45 18-10-06, 23:12

Hi All
I must say a huge thank you to you Phil for all the work you have put in.The plans are great and I look forward to putting them to good use!!! I hope others do also.Noe Phil,what about a set of plans for that Wire 3 body?!! Only joking!! I also wonder Martin if you had a chance to take those photos of your body?
Regards
Daren

Grant Bowker · #46 19-10-06, 01:28

Try at your local airport, they are fairly widely used on opening panels for airplanes, including fairly modern types.

I haven't done a search yet, but wouldn't be surprised if there were an online seller who is aiming at the homebuilt aircraft market as well as the repair market for factory produced aircraft.

Phil Waterman · #47 19-10-06, 01:31

Quote:

Originally posted by fc101daz
Hi All
I must say a huge thank you to you Phil for all the work you have put in.The plans are great and I look forward to putting them to good use!!! I hope others do also.Noe Phil,what about a set of plans for that Wire 3 body?!! Only joking!! I also wonder Martin if you had a chance to take those photos of your body?
Regards
Daren

The plans I need are for the gun portee for the Pattern 12 with 6 pounder gun. Anybody have them?

But really glad to be of help, figured by doing the dog house drawings they will be of use to other people in the future as well. Sort of repaying the favor Bob Carrier did me by lending me a side engine panel to copy for my Pattern 12 engine housing which was missing . Please let me know if I screwed up anything so I can correct the drawings.

Grant Bowker · #48 21-02-07, 00:27

Jordan's doghouse appears the same as mine. There are some indications that my C15A may have been a wireless vehicle but no data plates remain to confirm or deny this idea. Can anyone comment?

cliff · #49 21-02-07, 00:47

Quote:

Originally posted by Phil Waterman
The plans I need are for the gun portee for the Pattern 12 with 6 pounder gun. Anybody have them?

I have 1/32 scale plans of a 12 cab CMP Portee but I think they are of the 2Lb portee. Let me know if you are interested and I will post both sheets.

Cheers
Cliff

Phil Waterman · #50 21-02-07, 01:12

Quote:

Originally posted by cliff
I have 1/32 scale plans of a 12 cab CMP Portee but I think they are of the 2Lb portee. Let me know if you are interested and I will post both sheets.

Cheers
Cliff

Cliff Please post them I'm sure a number of people will be interested.

cliff · #51 22-02-07, 00:17

Quote:

Originally posted by Phil Waterman
Cliff Please post them I'm sure a number of people will be interested.

Page one

cliff · #52 22-02-07, 00:21

page two

cheers
Cliff

Grant Bowker · #53 23-02-07, 13:39

They are available from Spaenaur in a style that looks very similar to the one on my engine cover. I say the "one", because I only have the door on the rear face. I will need to recreate the hatch on the right side.

Ken Hughes · #54 23-02-07, 13:44

see we have the technology we can rebuild them.
great work guys i am impressed

Grant Bowker · #55 26-02-07, 21:08

One maker, there are probably others.
http://www.alcoa.com/global/en/produ...sp?prod_id=530

Grant Bowker · #56 16-05-07, 16:00

I have an engine cover similar to Jordan's. The previous owner had started to modify the truck to left hand drive by moving the left hand upright that the engine cover clips into inboard. This weekend I welded the upright back into it's proper place and trial fitted the engine cover into place. All of the left edge mated up well, the right edge caused puzzles. It stood about 3/4" clear of the upright. Jordan's cover has a notch for the upper securing clip that would let it sit flush to the upright. My cover doesn't seem to have been modified to fill in a notch and it doesn't seem likely that they would have made 2 different cabs to fit 2 different engine covers. On my cover the scoop on the lower front right face falls in the same place as the lower retaining clip on the cab frame. I also noticed that the bulge on the right side that Jordan was asking about made for much better clearance for the spark plug wires and would help with spark plug changes with the cover on.

Has anyone else got the notch on the front right hand side of a cover like Jordan's?
Has anyone noticed different placement of the clips on the cab framework?
Has anyone got theories on what the scoop at the leading edge right is for? Cooling? Filling the cab with engine fumes? Letting a tube pass through for wading, there was earlier speculation that the openings on the top of the cover were for wading?
Comments please.

Bob Carriere · #57 17-05-07, 02:46

...me thinks a few pictures would help..... including the stock blue one and drag out the other spare from the storage shed....

Put on the "to do" agenda for Saturday.

Boob

Grant Bowker · #58 17-05-07, 03:38

Last post was not from home, now I'm back and here's a photo to show the gap between cover and cab stucture, clip sitting in thin air inside the "scoop" and how ignition wires sit nicely in the rearward tunnel.

I've just had the sense to look in the parts book. They refer to two "Housing Assy., Motor" (what we have been calling the doghouse) one replacing the other, no mention of special parts for wireless or any other use.

While I was looking that up I noticed another oddity. There are separate lower frame assemblies listed for Cab 13 depending on whether it was basic version (my words), arcticized, heater equipped, cold weather equipped, wireless supressed, wireless equipment in GS body or wireless body. A total of 7 different cab lower frames. There are also three different rear floor plates. Basic version, arcticized and wireless. The wireles is listed as having a 3/4" clamp to attach the wireless cable to the floor panel.

Every time I think I've figured out something I find another half dozen new puzzles. Help, please.
Thanks for any suggestions.

Plushy · #59 17-05-07, 06:46

Quote:

Originally posted by Lynn Eades
Did a quick google searchfor Dzus, and found this under DFCI solutions.

If you are after Dzus Fastners try any Motorbike shop all japanese motorcycles use Dzus fastners for there Fairings . The is a business in the UK called Probolt they have a huge array of Dzus fastners and also stock Titanium Dzus Fastners

For a bit of Bling .

Plushy · #60 17-05-07, 06:51

Quote:

Originally posted by Lynn Eades
Did a quick google searchfor Dzus, and found this under DFCI solutions.

If you are after Dzus Fastners try any Motorbike shop all japanese motorcycles use Dzus fastners for there Fairings . The is a business in the UK called Probolt they have a huge array of Dzus fastners and also stock Titanium Dzus Fastners

For a bit of Bling .