M38A1CDN2 right machine gun mount

[rob love]

Rob does not remember it as a C5. I spent a lot of time with them as a C1, and when the improvements were made to the guns, they became the C5A1. I was issued one of those as a crew weapon for my MRT in 1996/1997, when they were finally withdrawn.

Technically, it should have become the C1A1, but DND thought there would be confusion with the C1A1 rifle. Technically, there is no C5, although I think they did put that on the cover of one of the manuals.

There is a market in the US for C5A1 conversions. As a result, there are even guys supplying and even making up the necessary pieces to convert the M1919A4 into the C5A1.

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by rob love

Rob does not remember it as a C5. I spent a lot of time with them as a C1, and when the improvements were made to the guns, they became the C5A1. ....

There is a market in the US for C5A1 conversions. As a result, there are even guys supplying nd even making up the necessary pieces to convert the M1919A4 into the C5A1.

I had a Wpns Tech CWO gently correct me, until I showed him the plastic covered C1 MG manual.

The D-ring cocking handle and slide with a safe notch were smart ideas. I remember being impressed by the extractor which didn't have a big hook and the two embedded ball bearings on the bolt face that kept the round from sliding off. There was a line in the lesson plan I remember that wanted gunners to scour old spare parts kits for the 30-06 extractors. All that is behind us now! The idea of hosing 7.62x51 downrange never loses its thrills! Except when the gun won't fire or only shoots single shots.

[rob love]

The RCMP Firearms Reference table used to have a listing for the C1 GPMG, the C5 GPMG, and the C5A1 GPMG. They had a picture of the first and last of those 3, but for some reason did not have one for the C5. Perhaps that was because it did not exist.

[Dan Martel]

I've posted this before. It won't help with the mount but is interesting about the development of the GPMG C1 / C5A1. C5A1.pdf

[T. Alcorn]

How similar in construction was this mount to the Command & Recce GPMG Kit for the Iltis?

[maple_leaf_eh]

The "Z" arm GPMG mount is very robust, and is similar to the GPMG mount for the observer of the Lynx recce vehicle. The Ferret .30-06 MG swivel mount is again similar but just a bit different.

Not much to be said for the arm except it is 2" or 2 1/4" diameter steel tubing. There is a captured ring and block for the crosspin in place of the pintle traverse and elevating mechanism. The head is a square block with another traverse pin for the front pintle. The final fitting is a flat bar between those two pins which has nubs and teeth to hold a NATO spec' ammunition box.

The drawings pages are likely ones saved from Rob and the front view of the mount looks like one of mine.