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Old 11-07-23, 11:52
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FWIW, when this thread began I decided to try looking at the area with Google Maps to see if I could find the wrecks. No luck, else I would have posted about it, but then, I didn’t spend overly much time on it. The main problem with it is too many green trees that obscure the wrecks from at least casual viewing. Maybe if you systematically go through at maximum zoom, you might find them, though?
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Old 12-07-23, 03:49
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FWIW, when this thread began I decided to try looking at the area with Google Maps to see if I could find the wrecks. No luck, else I would have posted about it, but then, I didn’t spend overly much time on it. The main problem with it is too many green trees that obscure the wrecks from at least casual viewing. Maybe if you systematically go through at maximum zoom, you might find them, though?
Yes Google Earth is one of the first places I looked... and like you said it's just acres of trees.

The person I spoke to that saw them in 1973 gave a couple of bits of info... the area was overgrown even in 1973... and they aren't far from a road... he and a friend actually spotted them while out riding. He just doesn't remember the name of the road.

He also said he asked various hunters in the area over the years, and they all say they are still there.
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Old 12-07-23, 05:06
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What’s the thought on this being two of the Crusaders?
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Old 12-07-23, 10:23
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What’s the thought on this being two of the Crusaders?
Nice spotto, could very well be them. I'm sure Terry "I use Google Earth Pro at work" can do better, though
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Old 12-07-23, 11:48
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That was some amazing sleuthing! Those Crusader wrecks remind me of the Valentines that had been used as post-war hard targets and could, some 40 years ago, be found on the Petawawa, Ontario training area.

Armour casualties from the desert war in North Africa were shipped to North America as ballast to be then scrapped. Perhaps that is where the Crusaders had originally came from before being used as Fort Meade hard targets?
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Old 13-07-23, 02:05
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That is certainly interesting....
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Old 13-07-23, 07:08
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Default Ft Meade in the 60's

1965/66 The 11 Armored Cavalry Reg was reorganized at Ft Meade, then shipped to Vietnam. There were Armored vehicles as monuments all over the parade grounds. The history of Ft Meade might be worth knowing. I was there as a 'trooper' in the 11th. Our vehicle training was in Virginia though. Never got to that firing range. Dave
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Old 12-07-23, 13:41
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FWIW, when this thread began I decided to try looking at the area with Google Maps to see if I could find the wrecks. No luck, else I would have posted about it, but then, I didn’t spend overly much time on it. The main problem with it is too many green trees that obscure the wrecks from at least casual viewing. Maybe if you systematically go through at maximum zoom, you might find them, though?
Most online map imagery has a slider bar on one corner to change between image dates. Try looking at another time of year.
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Old 13-07-23, 11:06
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Most online map imagery has a slider bar on one corner to change between image dates. Try looking at another time of year.
Unfortunately, there’s none that I can see in Google Maps:

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Old 13-07-23, 13:24
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Unfortunately, there’s none that I can see in Google Maps:

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There is likely a year somewhere on the display. Peck that and the slider bar will come up. There are differences between the desktop and mobile versions. As the expression goes, your mileage may vary.
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Old 13-07-23, 18:21
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This should get you into the area.
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This should get you into the area.
Who's going to take a look?
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Old 14-07-23, 14:57
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Apparently located in 2017 according to this post from ww2 talk forum

http://ww2talk.com/index.php?threads...3/#post-738725

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Old 15-07-23, 00:52
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Who's going to take a look?
I plan on flying out from Texas to Maryland this fall or next spring to photograph and measure them if I can zero in on their actual location.

I can't believe I missed that post on WW2 talk... I'm a member over there and I've searched for "Crusader" numerous times.

I'm going to contact the OP over there and see if he can help.
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Old 14-07-23, 11:25
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There is likely a year somewhere on the display. Peck that and the slider bar will come up. There are differences between the desktop and mobile versions.
This was in my web browser, and there was no year picker of any kind to be found. The Streetview feature does often have photos from different dates you can browse through, but not the satellite view.
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