Early Pattern 11 Chev 4x2 ??

[Alex van de Wetering]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

Hi Alex

Could not find any information that is even remotely similar to the serial number of my C15a.... which reads 0 8444 03851...... model 84-44 originally had a Tonawanda(buffulo) engine......

Bob, The website is a bit confusing as it shows David's info combined with info from other sources (I think)....so, you have to scroll down a bit to find David's CMP listings, sorted by year and type. Your serial is in there along with the engine number and date plate info, even though it's listed as a cab 11. Judging from the number, your C15A is a very early cab 12!
Have you seen the C15A that recently came up for sale here in Holland? it has a serial close to yours.
http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=33736

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

Still digging now in the parts book for info on :first series or for those built after serial XXXXXX for clues.

Yes, there are much more clues to be found in the parts book.......I had a brief look yesterday for the grill.....but haven't had a chance yet to look at the key/lock thing and other details. There is lots of interesting stuff in there....also details that we think are odd, or early, but sometimes they are just British

Scan from the parts lost attached in regards to the Cab11 grill.....it has a Ford part number....but also a Chev one.


we are really missing the David's here, Pope and Hayward in these sort of discussions!

[Alex van de Wetering]

Another early feature we spoke about on the forum before is the small dash light located in the centre of the dash, just below where the hard lines from the windscreen wiper enters through the dash.....but I can't remember if it was specificaly an early feature, or rather a sort of optional thing.......time for a forum search!

My C8 also has the hooks to put the doors in open position, but the location of the holes suggest they were added after production.....also the cutout in the flange of the cab rear wall behind the drivers seat....on mine it looks rather crude, so most likely a later mod during service.

Other early features that come to mind....rubber gasket in stead of canvas under the nose panels next to engine lid/cover/hood/panel-thingy. Round mounting holes in the supports for the front fenders (under the headlights), in stead of oval holes.

[Bob Carriere]

HI Alex.....

....and in my own backyard.

Wrapping upCMPs for the Winter season and the C15 has a very good registration tag on the engine cover......O 8421 01189 so.... 1940....
2 wheel drive .... serial 01189......

Has rubber gasket on engine cover (cab11) .....found the remains of a little light centered on the dash face and the vacuum line is on the flat part ofthe dash just below the windshield central post...... no door hooks, no strap to keep doors from hitting cargo box... of course no cargo box....

Now I realize how to read the first model vs second type cab.....

When they say before 084 xx 04001......... made in 0 or 1940 parts used before serial number 4001 and the XX implies that the part was used on model 84 in 2 or 4 wheel drive XX meaning more universal such as panel parts.....

some before parts have date until Oct 1940.....so parts where used from start up (April 1940??) to October `1940

....some have 184 XX 05147 to 284 XX 10201 and some times a date

We always knew that changes occurred during production and some times older parts where available and used when current parts where short.

Best example is contract PE-175 for Australia....C60L with helper springs and C15a small axles front and rear with 16 inch rims/tires made Sept 1944 as cab 13 BUT with the old civilian rectangular instrument cluster..... manufactured late in Canada and never delivered but liquidated locally....

This is like digging up in the sands of Egypt.......

Somewhere on the forum or inmy manymixed up[ pictures I have a shot of an assembly line showing a cab 11 mixed with cab 12 and one 12 having a rigid windshield....... obviously during transition..... I will run across it one day...

Keep shoveling.....

Bob

[Mike K]

These early production CMP's have fixed rear vision mirror arms which are often broken off, the arms are something like a steel casting and are tapered .

A few cab 12 Chev 4x2 15cwt have turned up here in Victoria, used to be one in Ryan's yard on New Dookie road, Shepparton, another example was residing down at Geelong- that vehicle was bought by Malcolm D. and there was another one over at Boisdale in Gippsland that was offered to me . These 15cwt trucks look more balanced in appearance compared to the 8cwt with their little 13" rims.

The Ford version has turned up too, was one over in the Western district at Edenhope I could have bought.

[Bob Carriere]

Hi Mike

Yes those arms were stiff cast steel I believe subject to bending and braking.

....and I have seen 3 different lenght...possibly some long ones for the Chev gun tractor with the weird seating arrangement....... I even have a pair cast in brass...

Later a special small cast iron device was created to install the flexibile arm of the cab 13 model..... it actually bolts to the same two bolts of the windshield support bracket. I believe that the adaptor came with the cab 12.......

Cheers

[Paul Singleton]

Hi Bob, is that my old cab 11 that you are referring to? I’m glad it’s providing information on the build differences of early trucks and probably causing more questions for discussion.
Thanks.

[Bob Carriere]

Hi Paul

It is the very same and providing us at the barn with a learning opportunity as it seems very complete...... and the 01189 serial number makes it early but it has the vents, and rubber trimming around the bonnet opening...... and the remain of that strange mid dash light..... can't recall seeing such a light in its complete new condition...... all that is there is the socket and the remains of a small bulb......

Small world...

[Mike K]

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

These early production CMP's have fixed rear vision mirror arms which are often broken off, the arms are something like a steel casting and are tapered .

A few cab 12 Chev 4x2 15cwt have turned up here in Victoria, used to be one in Ryan's yard on New Dookie road, Shepparton, another example was residing down at Geelong- that vehicle was bought by Malcolm D. and there was another one over at Boisdale in Gippsland that was offered to me . These 15cwt trucks look more balanced in appearance compared to the 8cwt with their little 13" rims.

The Ford version has turned up too, was one over in the Western district at Edenhope I could have bought.

This looks like another cab 12 C15 in Australia ?