C8A HUM census numbers?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Marty, as discussed here is my list of known C8A HUM serial numbers. If you have anything to add to this list, please do.

Brian Gough may have more info too, have you asked him?

Chassis model | Cab Model | Chassis serial | Engine serial | Order no | Date of mfg | Vehicle model | Body Model | Body serial | Chrysler Serial-no | WD census no. | Source
C8A | 13 | 3844515289 | FR3918642 | LV.1697 | AUG. 12/43 | C.HU-441-M-PERS-1; 2nd plate: HU441-M-MACH-ZL-1 | 1C1 | 3924 | MACH-ZL-1-068 | ... | http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ght=3844515289 (Marty Morren, NL)
C8A | 13 | ... |... |... |... |... |... |... |... | CZ4210145 | https://flic.kr/p/pkDhQh
C8A | 13 | 3844536668 | FR3969158 | LV.2611 | MAY 11/44 | ... | ... | ... | ... | ... | http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...36668#post9656
C8A | 13 | 3844536670 | FR3969311 | LV.2611 | MAY 11/44 |C-8A-MACH-ZL-2 | ... | ... | ... |... | http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...670#post174430 (Pieter Bergman, NL)
C8A | 13 | 3844536671 | FR3969368 | LV.2611 | MAY 11/44 | ... |... |... |... |... | http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...671#post129049 (Mark Coombs, USA)
C8A | 13 | 3844536688 | FR3969099 | LV.2611 | MAY 12/44 | ... |... |... |... |... | http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...36688#post9656
C8A | 13 | 3844536691 | FR3968926 | LV.2611 | MAY 15/44 | [plate missing] |1C1 | 6443 | ... |... | http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ght=3844536691 (ex-Shayne McGuire, CDN - current location u/k)
C8A | 13 | 3844536696 | FR3969103 | LV.2611 | MAY 15/44 | C-8A-MACH-ZL-2; 2nd plate: HU441-M-MACH-ZL-1 | 1C1 | 6448 | MACH-ZL-1-087 | ... | http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ght=3844536696 (John Corden, UK)


Notes on data sources:


This information comes from the data plate on top of the dash, as fitted to all Chevrolets:

Chassis model | Cab Model | Chassis serial | Engine serial | Order no | Date of mfg
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The Vehicle model plate left of data plate on dash:

Vehicle model
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Note: some have a second plate attached to the left of the Vehicle model plate during the conversion to HUM:
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The Body plate on rear of body - this plate was added to all C8A Heavy Utilities:

Body Model | Body serial
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The Chrysler plate on rear of body - this plate was added during the conversion to HUM:

Chrysler Serial-no
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The Number painted on the door:

WD census no.

And Information gleaned from an open source (most often this Forum):

Source

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by M.Morren

Just to add to this thread, here are some photos of the data plates of this HUM.

[snip]

I am a bit puzzled about these though. While the Chevrolet plate says that this is a ZL-2, the Chrysler plate next to it clearly says ZL-1. I would love to see what other ZL-2s plates say. Maybe all Chrysler plates are ZL-1 and only the Chevrolet plates got the update?

Also interesting to note: My dash plate also has the C stamped in the upper half. It is stamped right on the 'M' from 'Vehicle Model'.

My observations: the Vehicle model plate is fitted to the left of the ID plate as on all Chevrolets. Two production HUMs have a Vehicle model plate denoting them as "C-8A-MACH-ZL-2", whicle the addtional plate lists "HU441-M-MACH-ZL-1" which is also fitted to (what is thought to be one of) the prototype HUMs. I do not know why they have these conflicting model plates.

See the pictures below:

S/n 3844515289

Vehicle model plate: C.HU-441-M-PERS-1
Additional Vehicle model plate: HU441-M-MACH-ZL-1
C8A 3844515289 Vehicle model plate.jpg

S/n 3844536670

Vehicle model plate: C-8A-MACH-ZL-2
Additional Vehicle model plate: not present
C8A sn 3844536670 Vehicle model plate.jpg

S/n 3844536696:

Vehicle model plate: C-8A-MACH-ZL-2
Additional Vehicle model plate: HU441-M-MACH-ZL-1
C8A sn 3844536696 vehilce model plate 1.jpeg C8A sn 3844536696 vehilce model plate 2.jpeg

Another HUM I have viewed has the same Vehicle model plates as s/n 3844536696.

[M.Morren]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

S/n 3844536696:

Vehicle model plate: C-8A-MACH-ZL-2
Additional Vehicle model plate: HU441-M-MACH-ZL-1

Another HUM I have viewed has the same Vehicle model plates as s/n 3844536696.

Had the other HUM also a 'C' stamped on the 'M' of the Chrysler plate? 3844515289 and 3844536696 do, and it would be interesting to know if the other ones have this too.

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by M.Morren

a 'C' stamped on the 'M' of the Chrysler plate?

Hi Marty,

Can you show me a picture? I am not sure what you mean?

[M.Morren]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Can you show me a picture? I am not sure what you mean?

I updated the post and added the pictures.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by M.Morren

I updated the post and added the pictures.

I now see what you mean. Looks like the tried to alter "Model" into "Code"?

I'll see if I can see it on the other plate.

[M.Morren]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Looks like the tried to alter "Model" into "Code"?

That was my guess as well. No idea why that would be necessary, but sure a fun little detail.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Chassis model | Cab Model | Chassis serial | Engine serial | Order no | Date of mfg | Vehicle model | Body Model | Body serial | Chrysler Serial-no | WD census no. | Source
C8A | 13 | 3844536671 | FR3969368 | LV.2611 | MAY 11/44 | ... |... |... |... |... | http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...671#post129049 (Mark Coombs, USA)

Here's a picture from Wheels & Tracks magazine of Mark Coombs' C8A Mach ZL-2:

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Originally Posted by Brian Gough

Phil,

Would you be thinking of Mark Coombs of San Diego? He has a Mach ZL-2, serial 3844536671, built May 11/44 on contract LV2611. It was pictured in W&T 44, p. 45 - actually Bart Vanderveen credited you for first reporting on it.

Mark came to Oshawa a few years ago and saw all the HUPs here that we could find to show him. I too have no direct contact with him recently and I don't think he is around on this Forum.

Brian