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Are you able to look up info on M113’s and AVGP’s if I have the CFR?
Ryan
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With a CFR I can at least tell from where the vehicle was disposed of.
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Is there a way to confirm how many M113's were purchased and in what year? Dan. |
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The data summaries will have that. There were two major purchases (65/66 and around 1986) and a minor purchase with the bird gunner's systems a little later.
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Thanks, Rob. And where would i find these data summaries?
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Yeah, I guess that is a little tougher if you are not currently connected to the military. Most units have now disposed of hard books and are strictly electronic, so you are probably looking at museums if they grabbed the CFTOs as the paper copies were diposed of. I have been doing that at the Shilo museum, and there is a wealth of info in those old CFTOs, some dating back to the second world war. I collected a lot of them myself over the years, but have been starting to bring them in to the museum and incorporating them into that collection. There may be others here like Ed, who have copies of the data summaries. You normally would have to look up each variant separately, so you would need to look at the C30570 series for the earlier vehicles, the C30670 series for the A2 series, and the C30770 series for the TLAVs. The variants of each generation of 113 will be near the parent numbers I have given. Thing like Lynx, M577A1, ARVL, A1 pioneer dozer will be in the 30570 to 30580 range...later models will be in the later ranged of numbers.
There are also the ELDs, (Equipment Logistic Directives) which will have a lot of information like this, but those are harder to come by. I didn't even know they existed until I got a partial set at the museum from one of the units as they were disposing of their manuals. |
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As Rob stated, a lot of information about specific Canadian vehicles can be found in the Data Summaries although the researcher must keep in mind that the document format has evolved over time and the early summaries do not contain the contract numbers or vehicle numbers. The Data Summaries are a good start but they do not tell the whole story and need to be corroberated with other documents in order to compile a complete picture of all of the details for a specific vehicle type.
The M113 series is very convoluted and Clive Law very kindly published my book "The M113A1 in Canadian Service" in 2014 ISBN 978-1-927822-02-9. In that book I state that Canadian purchased 442 M113A1s in 1964 and 352 in 1965. With respect to the M548 Cargo Carrier, Canada bought 80 in 1966 and another 30 in 1983. Canada bought 50 M577A1 Command Post vehicles in 1965 and 1966 and an additional 10 in 1986. Work had begun on the M113A2 book but was stopped following Clive's passing. |
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