1 May 2020 Canadian firearms legislation changes

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Bruce Parker

PIAT?

Definition of a firearm begins with "a barrelled weapon...". No barrel on a PIAT. However, they can prohibit devices, as they have in the past. Throwing stars, nunchucks, brass knuckles.....a piat should fit right in there.

[rob love]

Yep. You have an amnesty for now, so can continue to store them the way you have been, but you can't take them out, can't sell them, can't use them. You can turn them in for compensation to be determined at a later date, and you can deactivate them. I have the guidelines for deactivation of larger bore stuff here somewhere. The chamber is drilled and pinned with a hardened dowel of 1/2" if I recall.



An organization that I belong to sent an email today indicating they are going to take action either politically (we still have some political allies) or through court action. They tell us not to panic which is the first good thing I have heard in a day.



If you look on rebel news, apparently n their hast to get as many submodels of the AR15 as possible, the included a couple of websites and an Eastern locksmiths business name.



Perhaps one option is to go the museum/business route. That would allow the possession, display and use of these items.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by rob love

Yep. You have an amnesty for now, so can continue to store them the way you have been, but you can't take them out, can't sell them, can't use them. You can turn them in for compensation to be determined at a later date, and you can deactivate them. I have the guidelines for deactivation of larger bore stuff here somewhere. The chamber is drilled and pinned with a hardened dowel of 1/2" if I recall.



An organization that I belong to sent an email today indicating they are going to take action either politically (we still have some political allies) or through court action. They tell us not to panic which is the first good thing I have heard in a day.

If you look on rebel news, apparently n their hast to get as many submodels of the AR15 as possible, the included a couple of websites and an Eastern locksmiths business name.

Perhaps one option is to go the museum/business route. That would allow the possession, display and use of these items.

I think the strategy to defeat this lies in how it was implemented as well. It is a massive confiscation of legally owned property and was done through a non-debated Order in Council by a minority government that isn't even sitting currently, all in the middle of a world wide pandemic with people dying and locked in their homes losing their livelihoods and businesses. Heck, you can't even gather outside to protest. Surely our fellow Canadians can see the injustice in that.

The stated reason was a response to the tragic Nova Scotia killings but the scope shows it goes way beyond that and had been in the works for some time. To use that tragedy as a spring board for such a massive underhanded political grab is fowl and beneath my contempt.

[charlie fitton]

Originally Posted by rob love

Yep. You have an amnesty for now......

......I have the guidelines for deactivation of larger bore stuff here somewhere. The chamber is drilled and pinned with a hardened dowel of 1/2" if I recall.

....... use of these items.

Once you did up these guidelines, would you kindly share?

[rob love]

The RCMP deactivation guidelines are not really aimed at the mortars, rocket launchers and artillery. They were more for small arms, but can be followed on the larger stuff with some adaptation.



The Cdn forces did come out with a technical order for the preperation of certain howitzers and tank guns for display. In that one, they even had you welding the wheel nuts in place. Sure makes it hard to repair a tire down the road.

[Robin Craig]

If you have two years to do anything why would anyone alter anything in haste only to have a new government overturn it all? Asking for a friend . ..

[chris vickery]

As upsetting as all this is, we need to see how it is going to play out. Hastiness is certainly not something to be taken lightly. If I hadn't in the past, I would still have had rights to 12(X) items which I sold off last round of this BS.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Robin Craig

If you have two years to do anything why would anyone alter anything in haste only to have a new government overturn it all? Asking for a friend . ..

Well now were getting heavy into politics, but here goes:
Last election the Liberals won only a minority, (they actually got less votes than the opposition party) and Trudeau suffered from over exposure combined with stupidity. At the end of the election, he kind of took a lower position, and his deputy minister was supposed to do a lot of the public exposure. However, with Covid, he has been coming out once a day to say nothing, and with some of their shortfalls on handling the crisis here, are worried about their government falling once parliament is sitting again. Remember, it was the Liberals who tried to sneak in that bit into the emergency bill that would have given them unchallenged powers to regulate, tax and spend until the end of 2021. Coincidental, that is when the bulk of theLiberal MPs would qualify for pensions (56 years).
Gun control is a wedge issue. If the conservatives come out too strong against it they will be played as rednecks come next election. If they remain quiet, then the gunowners, who are passionate of their sport, will not provide monetary support. Make no mistake, they are also ridign the cotails of the Nova Scotia event, which quite frankly would not have changed one iota if these rules were in place then.


Trudeau has been running high deficits since he got into the position 5 years ago. He had and had little room to maneuver when Covid hit. We are now into a recession, and things are going to be tough for the next few years. They will use any tricks they can find to try and maintain power.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by rob love

Well now were getting heavy into politics, but here goes:
Last election the Liberals won only a minority, (they actually got less votes than the opposition party) and Trudeau suffered from over exposure combined with stupidity. At the end of the election, he kind of took a lower position, and his deputy minister was supposed to do a lot of the public exposure. However, with Covid, he has been coming out once a day to say nothing, and with some of their shortfalls on handling the crisis here, are worried about their government falling once parliament is sitting again. Remember, it was the Liberals who tried to sneak in that bit into the emergency bill that would have given them unchallenged powers to regulate, tax and spend until the end of 2021. Coincidental, that is when the bulk of theLiberal MPs would qualify for pensions (56 years).
Gun control is a wedge issue. If the conservatives come out too strong against it they will be played as rednecks come next election. If they remain quiet, then the gunowners, who are passionate of their sport, will not provide monetary support. Make no mistake, they are also ridign the cotails of the Nova Scotia event, which quite frankly would not have changed one iota if these rules were in place then.


Trudeau has been running high deficits since he got into the position 5 years ago. He had and had little room to maneuver when Covid hit. We are now into a recession, and things are going to be tough for the next few years. They will use any tricks they can find to try and maintain power.

Trudeau shamelessly used this pandemic to not only slide in this greasy gun thing, but to hide a closet full of misdeeds and scandals.

I have had an uneasy feeling about this and put it down to the dirty way it was done and how little concern there was for truth, 'evidence' or how many business, outfitters, gun stores and suppliers it would decimate but there's something else.

Many of us collect and restore military stuff because we like to, but also because we feel a responsibility to honour the soldiers who used it and craftspeople who made it. At great effort and expense we make it available to the public to see, feel, touch...a link to the brave lads that defended us using it.

With this gun ban, that includes many of these artefacts that are decades old and not a danger to anyone, the government and people who support it are in effect saying they don't care and our efforts are not appreciated.

That hurts.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by jdmcm

Seems to me with a stroke of a pen they have also banned all live tank cannons and artillery....20mm and over? Am I reading that right?

Because they have so much to do with Nova Scotia. Come to think of it, the election promise was for 'salt guns' so how did these sorts of things get mixed up in all of this. Apparently there are airsoft toy 'weapons' that meet the description for the ban. But don't worry, you've got 2 years before you have to chop it off and hand it in, but no parades off the property mind...