Quebec Transport Ministry + MV owners

[Patrick B]

Originally Posted by Stuart Fedak

A Facebook group has been created to raise funds for a class action and infringement of rights. The focus at the moment is to just restore registration rights.

Several individuals have used their lawyers to file appeals. Others are using the SAAQ appeal process. Others have used their lawyers to request source documents (access to information).

One group has arranged a face to face meeting with the Minister responsible for the SAAQ, which should happen this week. They will be presenting documents to support their individual vehicles and that proper due process was not done by SAAQ.

can you post a link to the Facebook group please.

[Patrick B]

Thank you Stuart Fedak.

[Terry Witiuk]

Originally Posted by Stuart Fedak

Private Group: RECOURS COLLECTIF SAAQ VEHICULES MILITAIRE

They are using it to fund source for the legal challenge.

Ref: https://www.facebook.com/groups/9408...location=group

Would be great to see this Facebook Page in bilingual text.

[Patrick B]

That is excellent proof of purpose of use.
Does that mean that we have to come up with every military vehicle contract to support our argument against any new restrictions in place now, and for any that may come up in the future?
I'm not sure how freedom of information works but maybe it's worth a try..?

[Patrick B]

Great write up. Thanks for your insight. What a mess. To make it even worse, some certain individuals are given the power (in situations like my own) to go against the individual provincial laws based on their personal dislike of the appearance of a vehicle and we dont have any real way to appeal their opinion on the subject..

[M38CDNBill]

Originally Posted by Patrick B

...we dont have any real way to appeal their opinion on the subject..

Unfortunately Patrick, we live now in a country full of little pink rabbits... Here is an Internet link that will give you access to see how we were welcomed during the historic and military parade that took place on July 3, 2008 for the 400th anniversary of Quebec City. If the anti-riot forces had not been there, we would have had a real bad time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AawsZV5xTw8

[Dave D.]

Originally Posted by M38CDNBill

Unfortunately Patrick, we live now in a country full of little pink rabbits... Here is an Internet link that will give you access to see how we were welcomed during the historic and military parade that took place on July 3, 2008 for the 400th anniversary of Quebec City. If the anti-riot forces had not been there, we would have had a real bad time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AawsZV5xTw8

After watching that video I'd move all the grumpy people out of Quebec. Are we in the twi-light zone? Tough crowd.....have we educated them?

I've been following along on Steel Soldiers and you guys sure have expanded on the story, geez.

I still want to help those individual owners that have been given MV restrictions in Quebec.

Does anyone have some direction on how we can help?

Currently I'm reaching out to the Insurance Bureau of Canada, the Canadian Press and all the Quebec Ministers until this goes away. I'm doing it at a personal level but it also affects future business plans.

How are my buddies from Quebec going to drive to Alsask to see the Civil Defence museum and radar dome in Saskatchewan?

This restriction must be a mistake. All the manufacturers of all the various types of collected vehicles DID NOT tell SAAQ all Military Vehicles are built for off road use only. That would be business suicide. It appears so ridiculous I'm surprised it's not April Fools Day.

We all want to know who's responsible for this mistake and how fast they can get it fixed.

How can we help?

Are tourists welcome in Quebec in their MV's ?

Google French Translation

[DEVIS = M38CDNBill; 262977] Malheureusement, Patrick, nous vivons maintenant dans un pays peuplé de petits lapins roses ... Voici un lien Internet qui vous permettra de savoir comment nous avons été accueillis lors du défilé historique et militaire qui a eu lieu. lieu le 3 juillet 2008 pour le 400e anniversaire de la ville de Québec. Si les forces anti-émeute n’avaient pas été là-bas, nous aurions vraiment passé un mauvais moment.

[url] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AawsZV5xTw8 [/ url] [/ QUOTE]

Après avoir visionné cette vidéo, je ferais sortir tous les grincheux du Québec. Sommes-nous dans la zone à deux lumières? Une foule difficile ..... les avons-nous éduqués?

Je vous ai suivi sur Steel Soldiers et vous avez certainement approfondi votre histoire, mon Dieu.

Je veux toujours aider les propriétaires individuels à qui des restrictions de MV ont été imposées au Québec.

Quelqu'un a-t-il une idée de la manière dont nous pouvons aider?

Je contacte actuellement le Bureau d'assurance du Canada, la Presse canadienne et tous les ministres du Québec jusqu'à ce que cela disparaisse. Je le fais à un niveau personnel, mais cela affecte également les futurs plans d'entreprise.

Comment mes amis québécois vont-ils se rendre à Alsask pour visiter le musée de la Défense civile et le dôme radar en Saskatchewan?

Cette restriction doit être une erreur. Tous les fabricants de tous les types de véhicules collectés NE DIT PAS à la SAAQ que tous les véhicules militaires sont construits pour une utilisation hors route uniquement. Ce serait un suicide commercial. Cela semble tellement ridicule que je suis surpris que ce ne soit pas le poisson d’avril.

Nous voulons tous savoir qui est responsable de cette erreur et à quelle vitesse ils peuvent la réparer.

Comment pouvons nous aider?

Les touristes sont-ils les bienvenus au Québec dans leurs MV?

[David Dunlop]

I have been following this story with interest.

Given the perspective of looking at the issue from outside of Quebec, it is easy to draw the conclusion it all has to be a mistake. However, from the perspective of anyone inside Quebec with strong nationalist sentiments, ‘misinformation’ can be an extremely powerful political tool.

The timing of this is interesting as well, as the country as a whole is ramping up for a Federal Election that has the ability to distract a lot of people.

David

[M38CDNBill]

Hi,

Here is an interesting article written in the Hemmings Dailey and the ministerial decree imposed by the SAAQ could originally come from the same problem of serial numbers of Humvees as it was lived in the state of Michigan.

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2019/0...g-bill-vetoed/

[Dave D.]

Originally Posted by Stuart Fedak

Canadian History 101:



I recommend that the full article be read. Perhaps, then you can appreciate that suggestion to " move all the grumpy people out of Quebec " may cause more harm than good in this context.


A lot of information, but the point is to try to understand the other point of view.


Ref: https://www.warmuseum.ca/firstworldw...ian-canadians/

Beautiful, very insightful as always Sir, Thank you. Understanding the other point of view is why I'm here. Comprehending why folks are mad at Historical Military Vehicles in 2008 or 2019 will take some work. Symbolism eh?

I was hopeful that MV groups and private collectors in Quebec had a majority of community support and this would be easy. Since I joined the MVPA our activities were mostly about safety, public education, parades, historical displays, private ownership awareness, personal tributes......all that honour, fun and friendly stuff. The public has been fantastic all 8 years displaying in Alberta so my heart goes out to my fellow Quebec MV collectors.

What do they need?

Are tourists welcome in Quebec if driving HMV's?

We have family in Quebec and I'd like to show them some history.

I have some concerns about travel in Quebec and AMA doesn't have any travel advisories. When that happens, I call and write the minister responsible for tourism. If anyone has any future plans to travel to Quebec, any future plans......., I believe these are the first people we call.


https://www.quebec.ca/en/premier/tea...rs-of-cabinet/


I wasn't sure how to 'address' my first letters to our government so here's a little page that helps guide the text as it flows from your fingers into the email box of our best decision makers.
https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-he...s-address.html

Minister of tourism Quebec contact info 2019
Caroline Proulx

Contact Information

Department

Ministère du Tourisme
900, boulevard René-Lévesque Est
Bureau 400
Québec (Quebec) G1R 2B5
Telephone: 418-528-8063
Fax: 418-528-8066
ministre@tourisme.gouv.qc.ca
Ministère du Tourisme
1255, rue Peel
Bureau 400
Montréal (Quebec) H3B 4V4
Telephone: 514-864-3419
Fax: 514-864-6988
ministre@tourisme.gouv.qc.ca

Federal Minister of Canada Tourism contact info 2019


https://www.canada.ca/en/government/...anie-joly.html

Contact information

House of Commons
Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6
Telephone: 613-992-0983
Fax: 613-992-1932
Email: melanie.joly@parl.gc.ca


Quebec Transport Minister

The Honourable François Bonnardel

https://www.transports.gouv.qc.ca/en/Pages/Home.aspx

It's right there on their page....Contact us.... https://www.transports.gouv.qc.ca/en...ontact-us.aspx

By mail Ministère des Transports
Service Québec 511
500, boul. René-Lévesque Ouest, bureau 4.010
Montréal (Québec) H2Z 1W7
By telephone

Anywhere in Québec: 511
Elsewhere in North America: 1 888 355-0511

[M38CDNBill]

Originally Posted by Stuart Fedak;262980 [url

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/organizers-cancel-mock-battle-of-the-plains-of-abraham-1.787562[/url]

Right Stuart, sad moment for organizers, reenactors and military history enthusiasts. Regarding the parade of the 400th, we still had fun despite the rioters and the rain that fell like a cow piss...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWSO...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iKi...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGL1...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5aG...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSwF...ature=youtu.be