Quebec Transport Ministry + MV owners

[Robin Craig]

This whole subject just makes my blood boil frankly.

I feel our veterans who gave their lives on beaches and battlefields around the world would turn in their graves to hear of such goings on after they laid down their lives in the name of freedom.

I foresee some very ugly sound bites in the future. These are dark days.

[Tony Smith]

Are your road laws National?

For example, if an Iltis licenced in Ontario travels to Quebec, would it be permitted on roads over 70Km/h? And would a Quebec Iltis be limited to by-roads elsewhere in the country while locals have no restrictions?

[David Dunlop]

I wonder what they are going to do when they stumble across their first ex military commercial 5/4-ton or CJ7?

David

[rob love]

Vehicles like the 5/4 ton and the CJ7 both had the Transport Canada CMVSS maple leaf stickers on the door pillers. Those were fine for road use. Besides, how would the SAAQ even know the vehicles are ex-military, since both those vehicles have direct civilian equivalents.



I can't remember if the LSVW also had a similar decal on them. If so, then I would suggest that would be the basis of keeping those on the road (for as long as an LSVW will stay on the road that is).

[rob love]

military vehicles, provided:

• they have the same configuration as road vehicles intended for use on public roads
• they are not equipped with a turret or weapon mount
• they have undergone a mechanical inspection

https://saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/vehicle-r...cted-area-use/

[David Dunlop]

Tony.

Each Province at one time had its own ‘Department of Highways’. They not only designed, built and maintained the highways/roads within each Province, but they were also at the core of creating and enforcing regulations regarding what equipment was deemed safe/necessary on the various motor vehicles under its jurisdiction, what actions were deemed appropriate for the safe operation of various vehicles (Rules of the Road, enforced by various police agencies) and Driver Training/Testing. Most all of this would fall under a Provincial Highway Traffic Act.

Outside of that sphere of influence, you found the insurance companies that insured the motor vehicles that the Department of Highways deemed appropriate to be on the road.

Here in Manitoba, all that started to slowly change in the early 1970’s. Prior to that, private insurance companies were the only means of obtaining vehicle insurance. Premiums varied greatly and if you were prone to accidents, your premiums could go up rapidly. In addition, claims for accidents could take a while to settle sometimes because the insurance companies for both parties would have to study the accident to determine who was at fault, based on the rules of the road established by the Department of Highways. Whoever was at fault had to cover all repairs and their premiums would go up accordingly.

In the early 1970’s, a newly elected government in Manitoba decided to ban all private auto insurance and replace it with a brand new government owned public insurance company called MPIC (Manitoba Public Insurance Corporation). This new company was mandated to offer rock bottom premiums and to introduce ‘No Fault Insurance’. This latter move was a disaster that is still with us. It did not take long for people to realize there were no longer any real consequences for being an idiot on the road and getting into an accident. You could get your car fixed right away and get right back out there.

In the last 10 years or so, the provincial government, in an effort to save money, have now transferred Driver Training and Licencing to MPIC and MPIC is slowly pushing for more and more say in the regulations of what equipment should be in/on vehicles in the Province in order for them to be insured. It has become a very dangerous monopoly. What is happening in Quebec right now could very easily pop up here at any time.

David

[David Dunlop]

Hi Rob.

I was thinking along the lines of somebody driving a fully restored to military configuration 5/4-ton, or CJ7, who gets stopped for a road check because of the looks of the vehicle. They call it in for verification and nobody is aware of these vehicles and red flares go up until the powers that be can investigate and sort it out. We all know what these vehicles are, but Boo McFlune at the SAAQ probably won’t.

David

[Lynn Eades]

Are you guys living under a dictatorship, like us?

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by David Dunlop

Tony.

Each Province at one time had its own ‘Department of Highways’....

In the last 10 years or so, ....

David

Yes, but if a vehicle is legal and compliant in it's home province, is it automatically allowed on the road elsewhere in the country? If it has conditions applied to it's use, does it need to continue to meet those conditions when elsewhere in the country if those conditions don't exist in other provinces? Or does a traveller have to be aware of every local rule and ordnance relating to vehicle standards as they move around.