Early M38A1 CDN Info

[Les Kovacs]

Hello....Yesterday I visited the military museum at CFB Borden. They had just received an M38A1 CDN1 (tilting rad-front clip, 8 screw battery box hold-down lid etc) as a gift from a "L Col. B. Savage". The label on the stand beside the jeep described the jeep as "1950 Era, 1/4 Ton Standard Military Pattern, Dodge Jeep 4x4".
From what I have learnt after purchasing my 67' M38A1 is that the CDN 1 was produced by Willy's Overland in the early 50's. The CDN 2 was built from 1967 to 1968 (please correct me if I am wrong) by Kaiser in Winsor, Ontario and the CDN 3 was produced in Toledo, Ohio by AMC as Kaiser went bankrupt in the late 60's and sold the jeep brand to AMC....again, please correct me if I am wrong. I would like to send an email to my contact at CFB Borden to have them correct the label beside their newly acquired M38A1....what would be the correct description on the label for this CDN jeep?

Regards and thanks in advance,

lesk

[Wayne Hingley]

If they were to look at the data plate, they would see the correct vehicle info:

Truck Utility 1/4 Ton 4X4 M38A1 CDN
Ford Motor Co of Canada Ltd

[rob love]

The term M38A1CDN1 is also not accurate. They had no idea there would be a 2 or a 3 some 15 years later. The first family of M38A1 CDN were assembled in Canada by Ford. Any CFTOs that I have that discuss all 3 merely refer to the first batch as M38A1CDN.

With regard to the Cdn3, think I saw some of the last ones with AMG logo on the serial plate behind the seat, but it was so many years ago now that I can't be sure of that. Most were marked with Jeep corporation from Toledo.

[David Dunlop]

A Light Colonel probably trumps a Data
Plate.

David

[Les Kovacs]

Thanks Wayne & Rob,

I was incorrect to add the 1 in CDN in my original post....the actual description tag in front of the Jeep is "1950 Era, 1/4 Ton Standard Military Pattern, Dodge Jeep 4x4"......it is in fact an early M38A1 CDN...my issue was the word "Dodge Jeep" in the descripiption....I will now contact the person at the museum and send Wayne's description as "Truck Utility 1/4 Ton 4x4, M38A1 CDN Ford Motor Co. of Canada Ltd."

Also, the data plates on the museum M38A1 CDN were original and were not readable.....I tried to read it but could not. Also, I took many pictures that for some reason I cannot post here.

Thanks and regards,

lesk

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Les Kovacs

Also, the data plates on the museum M38A1 CDN were original and were not readable.....I tried to read it but could not. Also, I took many pictures that for some reason I cannot post here.
lesk

9 out of 10 times, the photos are too large for the forum to accept. Reduce the size of them. There are guidelines from Hanno up at the top of the forum for what the max size can be. I'll usually move the photo to photo editor and reduce one side of the photo to 900 pixels, and the photo will then work.

[maple_leaf_eh]

Good luck correcting the museum. They probably know from other visitors like you that there is a mistake, but have other issues to fix before changing a label.

[Les Kovacs]

Thanks for the info Rob.....here is a pic of the Borden M38A1.....try to zoom and read the description on the stand.

lesk

[Wayne Hingley]

Originally Posted by Les Kovacs

Thanks for the info Rob.....here is a pic of the Borden M38A1.....try to zoom and read the description on the stand.

lesk

Here is a closer image with a bit or manipulation... Its definitely a "Dodge Jeep", or in french its a "Jeep Dodge".

[Les Kovacs]

Hi Rob.....with your suggestion I was able to finally post the picture of the Borden M38A1 CDN by resizing the jpegs via the pixel count through "paint" as you had suggested. Now, after all these months I am able to finally post some pictures of the 67' Jeep I have been working on with your help as well as others from MLU.

Thanks!

lesk

[Les Kovacs]

Wow....thanks Wayne....never knew that you can enhance jepgs that much.

lesk

[rob love]

Very clean truck. What is with the double fuel filters though?

If you are after the proper "accordian" type air intake hose, I believe you can get them from Rod Shaver in the US. I bought a couple off ebay a few years back (and postage to Canada was very very cheap) and believe it was from him.

[Les Kovacs]

Hi Rob....thanks for the reply.....the jeep looks and drives good because of my much too frequent cry for help on MLU and your eagerness to help me out.

The engine pics were taken this summer probably about two week after I purchased the jeep. Since that time I have removed the air (rad) hose and replaced it with a proper accordion type hose from Brian Asbury. The upper fuel filter was also taken out as I have plumbed one before the fuel pump directly below the radiator.....I also did not know that the glass bowl was a filter....I just though that it was a sediment bowl and I wanted something finer.

Right now I have gotten back my 3 row re-cored rad and I am in the process of painting it....as well as replacing the bellcrank hardware as per your help in previous posts before the rad is reinstalled.

I am searching for an upper FN C1 clip as well as a lower butt cradle.....any suggestions as where to look?

Regards,

lesk