Carrier kid

Simon Delaney · #1 04-02-17, 18:14

Sorry ritchie apologies misread your post. The two steps are both the drivers side which I chucked on there in a hurry. I can't see the point of the longer shovel head bracket for sure but sean's has one as Rick says and that mk1 in the musem in S Africa has one too. Weird. I can make either which is the good news!

Lynn Eades · #2 04-02-17, 21:06

Hi Rick, Quote: "The greatest cause of non-observation, is preconceived opinion" Of this, I am guilty.
That photo on page 72 is exactly what my other carrier is, so maybe I should have one of these deeper brackets?
I have not yet found reference to a corresponding strap to hold in two shovels.

I do have in hand an original photo (stamped on the back "Royal Canadian Air Force Official photo) of the one you mentioned (in Nigel's book)(Is this a Windsor carrier?)and it shows clearly, two shovels, a long strap, and a deep adjustable right side bracket.
This is in conjunction with the Stacey towing attachment and the pick head mounted under the crow bar
I have looked at photo copies from Bovington's Chilwell 63/76 and there is nothing obvious there?
I have a stowage diagram for a "Carrier Universal No2 MarkII* and it states Shovel G.S. MkII (Qty) 1.
(BTW. The locker with the crews packs at the rear is deeper than the one on the track guard of a U.C.MkI*)

Thanks for the "heads up" guys.

Here are a couple of observations of mine;
1.The pick head often does not fully fit on the cast mounting bracket so that some file work is required to be able to get the retaining plate and wing nut on.
2. That the reason why you nearly never see carrier photos (in service) with the full compliment of tools fitted is because the brackets and straps were almost impossible to do up / undo.

Michael R. · #3 08-02-17, 18:13

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Originally Posted by Simon Delaney

paraphrased. . . I can't see the point of the longer shovel head bracket for sure but sean's has one as Rick says and that mk1 in the musem in S Africa has one too. Weird. I can make either which is the good news!

"I can make either which is the good news!"
Exactly. Good attitude. Pictures can be deceiving though. The shovel handle bracket on the 1943 C01UC MK-I* in the Ditsong Museum, J'Burg, SA is a standard handle depth. Perhaps someone has a copy of a DME circular showing the change?

A few of the factory images from Ford, Canada appear to show the "two-shovel" modification. Have they added a second retaining strap for the second shovel? Note this is for the seldom seen "tool plate mounted" towing bracket, with the pickaxe head relocated to the bottom of the tool plate.

Photo credits:
S Tegner, S.A. ,
Ford Canada Archives through "The Factory Photos", Clive Law, Service Publications.

Lynn Eades · #4 08-02-17, 18:37

Simon, Can you tell us please, the full depth (front to back) of the deeper bracket assy?
Thanks for the pictures, Michael R.

Simon Delaney · #5 11-02-17, 00:44

4". Enough for two shovels......

RichardT10829 · #6 11-02-17, 11:03

So is the shovel blade holder any different ? Just thinking if it has to fit two blades over one ?

Lynn Eades · #7 11-02-17, 11:33

I'm guessing, no, Richard.
Thanks Simon.

Simon Delaney · #8 11-02-17, 20:21

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Originally Posted by RichardT10829

So is the shovel blade holder any different ? Just thinking if it has to fit two blades over one ?

I'm assuming not as I've only ever seen one size of cut out. However ill get two GS shovels and try it out.....