CBC Ottawa news story about the trauma of viewing HMVs

[Harry Moon]

Vancouver has one of those Mayors, generally referred to as Gregor the Commie or Mayor moonbeam
He has prevented any flypasts in the past and ended both the CF18 flypast of the Vancouver Indy, he got rid of Indy later, flypast of the Lancaster and others from the Abbotsford Airshow.
One of the more ridiculous ones was no overflight of the Snowbirds at the international Fire Police and Rescue games at Burnaby's Swangard stadium. The Stadium is right on the Vancouver Border.
So the snowbirds adapted there routine to come screaming up Boundary road on the Burnaby side and kept their routine strictly on the Burnaby side. right over my house, of course they had to practice it the day before.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Harry Moon

Vancouver has one of those Mayors, generally referred to as Gregor the Commie or Mayor moonbeam
He has prevented any flypasts in the past and ended both the CF18 flypast of the Vancouver Indy, he got rid of Indy later, flypast of the Lancaster and others from the Abbotsford Airshow.
One of the more ridiculous ones was no overflight of the Snowbirds at the international Fire Police and Rescue games at Burnaby's Swangard stadium. The Stadium is right on the Vancouver Border.
So the snowbirds adapted there routine to come screaming up Boundary road on the Burnaby side and kept their routine strictly on the Burnaby side. right over my house, of course they had to practice it the day before.

Right. So we hide any and all showing of military hardware and that will end war, right? Or maybe, just maybe that would be a supreme slap in the face to all vets who fought for the very rights these moonbeam people cherish so much.

Disgusting.

[r.morrison]

Many years ago, I owned a 45 GPW, which I adored driving in downtown Vancouver. It was always a show stopper. One day, while being front and centre at an intersection, waiting for a red light, a Volkswagon window bus made a turn into the intersection and long haired ....yes I gotta say it "hippie type" screamed out at me"The War's Over". Luckily being stopped, I grabbed the windshield, hauling myself up, with both middle fingers standing at attention, shouted back" F'You Jack! And very much to my surprise, I received a virtual standing ovation via clapping and horn honking from those others waiting there for the the light to turn green, including people on the sidewalk.
One of my prouder moments in this hobby......Robert

[Terry Witiuk]

Saw this article when the CNE airshow was happening.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...auma-1.3747293

The person who submitted the article is Maya Bastian, a writer and film maker. From that article...

"Bastian is now working on a film based on the air show and people's reactions to it. One of her biggest concerns is the impact it has on Torontonians who've experienced actual aerial attacks, as opposed to the orchestrated showcase on display this weekend.

"No one — especially the immigrants and refugees that show up new to the city — they're not made aware of what's going to happen," Bastian says."No one tells them, 'Hey, there will be planes — warplanes — over the city. It'll be loud, it'll be disturbing.' So they're caught completely off-guard."

That isn't to say that Bastian is convinced the air show needs to end. But she does think there's a tension "between accepting refugees into our society and this sort of affront to their experiences."

It's an event whose purpose was very clear when it began, she adds. The question is whether that is still the case.

"It's part of the Canadian fabric ... In the '40s it was necessary; we needed it. Now I don't know that it is ... It's a complex question, and I'm not advocating to shut down the air show. What I'm looking for is discourse.""

The last two paragraphs/sections are interesting and not clear what she actually means. I'm guessing that she is referring to WWII but not clear why she believes it was necessary then and not now.

There is a "feedback" link at the bottom of that page.

Terry

[motto (RIP)]

I despair for where we are headed when I listen to the ramblings and psychobabble emanating from what my father used to refer to as the educated idiots, the intellectual elite who believe they know what is best for everybody without a crumb of common sense between them.
My generation (post war 'baby boomers') and subsequent never had to fight for our freedom let alone our existence and in the words of our much revered early Australian poet Henry Lawson 'rot in a deadly peace'.
I get the feeling that we are headed for a reality check.The dogs are barking but at this stage are just being yelled at to shut up.
Your (Canadian) Mark Steyn seems to have a clear perception of the issues as well as being entertaining. All is not lost.

David

ps In a not wholly unrelated issue, in recent times I've heard two reports of HMV owners being told by police to get rid of the axe carried on their vehicles. A pioneer rack with axe, shovel and pick handle may soon be looked upon by some do-gooders as a collection of weapons, not tools. We await developments.

[Frank v R]

as simple as it gets "there is no cure for stupid"

[rob love]

About 2 years ago the we got a task at the museum to put some vintage vehicles into the multipurpose room for a citizenship ceremony. The PPCLI put in a LAV complete with it's chain gun and I moved in a UN marked Iltis and the ceremonial/vice regal Jeep. I wondered if placing military vehicles at a citizenship ceremony might bring up some bad memories for some of the participants. Apparently it did not because I think just about every one of them jumped into the ceremonial Jeep for their photos to be taken.

[jack neville]

Originally Posted by motto

I despair for where we are headed when I listen to the ramblings and psychobabble emanating from what my father used to refer to as the educated idiots, the intellectual elite who believe they know what is best for everybody without a crumb of common sense between them.
My generation (post war 'baby boomers') and subsequent never had to fight for our freedom let alone our existence and in the words of our much revered early Australian poet Henry Lawson 'rot in a deadly peace'.
I get the feeling that we are headed for a reality check.The dogs are barking but at this stage are just being yelled at to shut up.
Your (Canadian) Mark Steyn seems to have a clear perception of the issues as well as being entertaining. All is not lost.

David

ps In a not wholly unrelated issue, in recent times I've heard two reports of HMV owners being told by police to get rid of the axe carried on their vehicles. A pioneer rack with axe, shovel and pick handle may soon be looked upon by some do-gooders as a collection of weapons, not tools. We await developments.

With all respect Dave, if the police told someone to remove an axe from a vehicle I would strongly advise that person to question such a direction. There is nothing in Victoria's legislation where any offence is being committed by having an axe attached to a vehicle especially with military vehicles where it is part of the CES.

The only time being in possession of an axe would constitute an offence is where it was proven that the possession was in connection with some intent to use the axe as a weapon. Strapped to the side of a vehicle falls far short of that.

As an aside however when we took a number of vehicles across to Tasmania on the car ferry some years ago we were instructed by the loading staff to remove the axes and secret them out of sight in the vehicles! "What about the shovels?". "No they will be ok?

Go figure!!!!

[motto (RIP)]

One axe incident was in SA a while back and more recently in QLD IIRC.
To a very great extent it would be at the discretion of the cop involved. I don't see a trend just yet, probably the odd officious type we've all no doubt met at sometime, they take a very dim view of being challenged and I wouldn't like to try. Similar discretion applies to the carriage of any cargo in or on a vehicle on club permit. That is a definite no no according to the regs. I wonder how many cops would even know that?

David