Canadian War Museum's M4A4 "Forceful III"

[BradB]

I went to school at Lisgar back in the 80-90's, and it'd be neat to see inside Forceful, who I walked past every day on the way to school!

[Alex van de Wetering]

There used to be a good walk-around of "Forceful (III)" on the web somewhere, from the time that the tank was still outside......I think it was on Dana Nield's website, but that has been offline for some years. I tried wayback machine, but no luck.....does anyone know if these walk-around pictures are still available on the net anywhere? All the pictures I have found so far only show the tank from ground level, while the walkaround I remember also had good pictures of turret and hatch details.....details that I am hoping to use as reference of a Sherman V DD scale model that also has the turret without pistol port, just like on Forceful.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

There used to be a good walk-around of "Forceful (III)" on the web somewhere, from the time that the tank was still outside......I think it was on Dana Nield's website, but that has been offline for some years. I tried wayback machine, but no luck.....does anyone know if these walk-around pictures are still available on the net anywhere? All the pictures I have found so far only show the tank from ground level, while the walkaround I remember also had good pictures of turret and hatch details.....details that I am hoping to use as reference of a Sherman V DD scale model that also has the turret without pistol port, just like on Forceful.

Hi Alex,

I recall seeing such a set of photos.

I have searched but cannot find much more than https://www.flickr.com/photos/ottcan...th/4096492486/ and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/C...ian_War_Museum

[Hanno Spoelstra]

"Forceful III, went to Vimy House on 20 May 2004 for repainting; previously on display at Cartier Square Drill Hall in Ottawa from 1986, the tank was refurbished and put on display on 15 Oct 2005 at the Canadian War Museum. The tank had previously been the personal mount of Major (later Lieutenant Colonel) E.M. Smith, DSO, ED and had seen action with the 21st Canadian Armoured Regiment (Governor General's Foot Guards) throughout North-West Europe, being the only tank of the sixty-nine originals issued to the Regiment. The tank landed in France on 25 Jul 1944, when Major Smith was Officer Commanding No. 3 Squadron (by tradition the GGFG used numbers rather than letters to identify sub-units). Smith was promoted to command the regiment in Aug 1944. The regiment had intended for the tank to be displayed at Lansdowne Park in Ottawa, a proposal rejected by Mayor Charlotte Whitton, and the tank went to Camp Borden instead."
Source: https://www.canadiansoldiers.com/veh...hermantank.htm


Wartime photo: "Marty Joiner, pictured top row, second from right, is pictured with his company along with their tank, Forceful III, during the Second World War."
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Source: https://omniway.ca/trip-to-war-museu...with-ww2-tank/


Period picture, likely dating back to the 1950s or so. At Camp Borden?
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When on display outside at the Cartier Square Drill Hall in Ottawa (1986-2004):
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As it stands today (since 2005) at the CWM: "M4A4(75) Sherman V Medium Tank with 75-mm gun, (Serial No. 21424), built by Chrysler, R/N 3021730, (WD No. CT-228619), 51, 30, (Serial No. 21424), “Forceful III”, previously on display at Cartier Square Drill Hall, 21st Canadian Armoured Regiment (Governor General’s Foot Guards)."
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Source: https://www.silverhawkauthor.com/pos...-museum-part-1

[Alex van de Wetering]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Hi Alex,

I recall seeing such a set of photos.

I have searched but cannot find much more than https://www.flickr.com/photos/ottcan...th/4096492486/ and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/C...ian_War_Museum

Hi Hanno; yes, I found the same. I did contact Dana through the MLU messenger, but I am not sure if the message came through.

I did however find the info I was looking for by visiting some of the IJssellinie Sherman turrets here in Holland.