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There were some ambulances that were 4x2 vehicles in longer wheelbases. I have a front axle ( Ford?) and it fits right into a standard CMP 13 cab chassis as it has a hollow tube with no gears and is not a drop type axle that many standard trucks of the era would use. The ends are not drive types but have kingpins, and one version (that is now found a new home) actualy had an extended kingpin with extra support underneath the axle to provide additional support. Going down the road such a vehicle would appear to be a 30 or 60cwt depending on wheel sizes used. It is an oddball!
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This has been very interesting and very confusing as well
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A very interesting set of pictures Hanno! If you look at the close up photo of the axle you will see the additional lower support arm of which I wrote. The axle that I still have does not have that additional support arm and it seems probale that in rough service it would not last very long.
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In the absence of any literature defining British WO load rating specs we're left to infer them from known vehicle types. In relation to CMP types they appear to be as follows:
Truck/Lorry (carried load): 8 cwt: SWB; 13" wheels 15 cwt: SWB; 16" wheels 30 cwt: SWB; 20" wheels; 2-spd transfer case (variants include Truck, 30 cwt, 4x4, AT Gun Portee; Lorry, 30 cwt, 4x4, Water) and: MWB; 16" wheels; 10.50 tyres; 2-spd transfer case (F30/C30 variants) 3-ton: LWB; 20" wheels; 2-spd transfer case Tractor (towed load): 3-ton: 10.50 tyres; 2-spd transfer case (FAT, LAAT, F60T) Note that for Tractors the wheelbase and wheel size are not stipulated, because they don't affect traction (towing capacity). A further spec applies to Artillery Tractors, namely winch. As far as I'm aware the above specs hold true for all CMP variants except: F60S Bofors (Lorry, 3-ton, 40mm, Self-Propelled) which runs 16" wheels. An apparent anomaly is the C8AX (NZ variant fitted with 16" wheels, making nominal load rating 15 cwt, and built on C15441 chassis) for which the expected designation would be C15AX. I'm inclined to suspect C8AX designation may be local misunderstanding, just like F60S designation seen on Australian F30 Ambulance. On the question of LWB with 16" wheels, eg. F602L pictured above, I suspect these are rated for on-road use only, just like MCP vehicles. As such it would equate with the Dodge T110L5 (160" wheelbase, 16" wheels, 2-spd diff) which is rated 3-ton. It's worth noting that design factors such as auxiliary springs, diff ratios, steering boxes, big balls v. small balls etc. do not define load rating - they simply reflect the way a particular manufacturer designs their range of 8, 15, 30, or 60 cwt. vehicles, as defined above. Which means the whole question of load rating is far simpler than it appears - once you figure out the rules!
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Check out my truck site that was done on 10 03 11 CMP c60l comes home .There is a bit of information about the front axel that is interesting
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Grant, evidently there's another factor at work in C8A/F8A load ratings which differentiates them from C15A/F15A. Something to do with the car type rear chassis perhaps...? I really don't know enough about them to speculate.
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I'm afraid this is not entirely correct. The British War Office classification was a load classification, regardless of the technical configuration of the vehicles supplied by manufacturers. Load carrier trucks have a load rating, tractors do not - see the thread Is the FAT a 60cwt or 15cwt truck?. To be able to carry the load and move it at convoy speed across country, manufacturers configured their trucks from existing components. As stated above, I sorted out the difference for Chevs recently, see Chev CMP chassis views. One can see clearly that the heavier the load rating, the heavier the truck's components are - so "design factors such as auxiliary springs, diff ratios, steering boxes, big balls v. small balls etc." in fact do define load rating! Quote:
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As per Vanderveen: "Truck, 3-ton, 4x2, GS (Ford F602L) V-8-cyl., 95 bhp, 4F1R, wb 158-1/4 in, 243x90x118(78) in., 7280 lb. Latest type, using many components of F60L. Tubular front axle, two-speed rear axle. Also with four-stretcher ambulance body and 134-1/4 in. wb GS with open cab." HTH, Hanno
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Hanno, Tractors do indeed have a load rating, despite not being load carriers. I conclude therefore it refers to towed load, not carried load (as mentioned in my post above). Pretty obvious when you think about it but we overlooked it in the thread you mention. img008.jpg img009.jpg img007.jpg
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I suspect we're getting into semantics here Hanno! To put it another way - Load Rating determines components, not the other way around. Hence F60L with small balls is still F60L.
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Read Wheels & Tracks magazine issue 1 and 2, and there is little left to speculate.
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Yes, I've acknowledged this already, in response to Grant's post above, where I cited F8A as a further example. But the question remains - why are these 16" wheeled vehicles only rated 8-cwt? As I suggested: "evidently there's another factor at work in C8A/F8A load ratings which differentiates them from C15A/F15A. Something to do with the car type rear chassis perhaps...?
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