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Ok thanks. The CR2 number can be found stamped into the far upper RHS glacis plate. Or above the engine bay rear door handle. I will try and attach a pic of location, but seem to be having issues attaching pictures. Regards Doug Quote:
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I believe I have a pic of a CH-147 (Chinook) lifting a disabled Lynx while on excercise in Chilcotin, BC, Jan 1987. I'll scan and post it if I can locate it. FWIW I backed a Lynx into a M-113 Queen Mary when off loading from my flat deck breaking a headlight on the 113 with the toboggan rack on the Lynx (remember those contraptions?). They were peppy little suckers compared to a 113. One of those oops moments
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Ok, you've got me, what is an M-113 Queen Mary? I have never heard of that version before. I take it that it was the exact opposite of a Lynx and was a slug? Regards Doug
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Think it may have been a Command Post version.
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Thanks. First time I have ever heard they had a name, perhaps it is a Canadian only thing? A Lynx and one of those would be polar opposites I should think. Lynx 8 ton, M577 are around 12 ton IIRC. Regards Doug
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I seem to remember the Aust trials were the Lynx, M114 and the in-service recon vehicle, the Daimler Ferret Mk.2 as the 'comparator'. From memory, the 'flip' referred to by Doug was during the tropical trials at Tully, and the sinking was in Ubanangee Swamp, also during the tropical trials in Queensland.
After determining that neither of the tracked vehicles would be acceptable, the Aust Army later opted for the M113A1 equipped with the T50(Aust) turret, which was already in service as the APC. The recon version of the M113A1 was called the Light Recon Vehicle (LRV), the difference when first introduced being the APC was equipped with 2 x .30 cal MGs, while the LRV had the .30/.50 combination. Soon after, the .30/.50 combination became the standard for both vehicles. Mike C |
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The Fort McMurray Legion does not have a Lynx. They do have a Chieftain, on loan from Jack Cross. Peter |
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I think you will find that the Grant in question was modified for the Australian Malkara missile tests, rather than for the British Nuclear tests. Mike |
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Ok, thanks. Another case of being fed wrong information. It came from a military source, so I did not have reason to doubt it. Regards Doug
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Probably the same source that informed me of the same thing a few years ago: when it arrived at its new home, I was contacted via the Tank Museum and asked if I knew anything about the 'Grant modified for the atomic tests' (since I'd written about the tests in relation to Centurion).
On being shown an image, it was obvious it was the Malkara observation platform, the provision of which was covered in the Malkara papers at NAA, and is the vehicle visible in several images of the Malkara testing at Woomera. We have all heard (and to my sham, believed!) 'furphies', Doug: a forum like this does help to dispel them. ![]() Regards Mike |
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Whilst on the subject of furphies, I have seen on the web that the Lynx did not use an M113A1 power pack.
This doesn't seem right to me. Granted the Lynx did not have any hydraulics, so did not need the hydraulic pump that is normally on the 113 power pack, but other than that, I would be really surprised if FMC especially made a different version only for the Lynx. From what I have seen, the Lynx pack lacks the hydraulic pump, has a step added above the transfer box engagement lever and that is about it. See pics (hopefully), they are from Anthony Seward's walkaround set which can be found several places on the internet. Regards Doug
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Whilst we are on the topic of M113s, I thought this may interest everyone. I have copied it from another forum. I do not know how accurate the listing is, but it is a bit stunning in its size. Also, some of those vehicles may be "one offs".
It does not list how many countries have bought/used M113, but it is dozens and probably close to 100: AIFV AIFV [Low Profile Weapon M129] - 20mm cannon AIFV [Low Profile Weapon KBA] - 25mm cannon AIFV [Low Profile Weapon Rh 202] - 20mm cannon AIFV [Low Profile Weapon .50] - .50 calibre MG AIFV [Turreted 25mm Cannon] - Final development vehicle AIFV-B-25 - Belgian Army MICV version AIFV-B-50 - Belgian Army IFV version AIFV-B-ATK - Belgian Army Milan ATGM armed version AIFV-B-CP - Belgian Army command post version Arisgator - M113 modified for the seaborne landing role ARV(L) - Recovery variant of the M113 family used by Canada and Australia Atilgan - Turkish M113 fitted with stinger missile mount Battar - Fitted with twin recoilless rifles in an overhead mount CM-21 - Series of Taiwanese produced versions Composite Hull Project - Experimental hull construction EIFV aka Egyptian Infantry Fighting Vehicle Light - A hybrid vehicle utilising the two-man Bradley turret Elevated TOW System - Danish experimental TOW mounting FeurleitPanzer 63 - Swiss artillery fire control vehicle Fire Support Combat Vehicle - Modified M113 fitted with 105mm howitzer in casemate mount Fire Support Combat Vehicle [Graztl concept] - Original concept with 105mm mounted over lhs track G-5 - Israeli Army variant G-6 aka Zelda - Israeli Army variant G-7 aka Zelda II - Israeli Army variant Geniepanzer 63 - Swiss M113 with dozer blade Hovet - M163 in israeli Army service IAFV [Version 1] - 0.50 & 7.62mm machine-guns IAFV [Version 2] - 0.50 in remote control mount IAFV [Version 3] - 20mm in remote control mount IFVL aka Infantry Fighting Vehicle Light - light infantry fighting vehicle featuring a one-man turret K-200 aka KIFV - Series of Korean vehicles based on the AIFV Lynx - M113 C&R in Canadian service Luchs - M113 C&R in Netherlands service M106 - 4.2inch mortar portee M106A1 - 4.2inch mortar portee M106SP - Spanish Army mortar vehicle M106A1IT - M106A1 in Italian Army Service M113 M113 [7.62mm minigun] M113 [20mm HS820] M113 [25mm Upgrade] - M113 fitted with Delco turret [USA] M113 [A-Frame] - Vietnam field modification M113 [AN/TPS-25] M113 [AN/TPS-33] M113 [AN/MPQ4] - Fitted with AN/MPQ4 mortar locating radar M113 [AN/PPS-4] M113 [AN/PPS-5] M113 [Armoured Assault Vehicle] M113 [Dart] - Dart ATGM system fitted M113 [Dozer] - Fitted with a dozer blade M113 [Fitters vehicle] aka M579 M113 [Fox] - Fitted with Fox turret M113 [Gas Turbine] - fitted with gas turbine engine M113 [Green Archer] M113 [Integrated Command Station] - aka Stoner Turret M113 [Knappich HS-30 turret] M113 [LCTS90 turret] M113 [Rarden] - Fitted with Peake 30mm turret M113 [Rh10 turret] M113 [SS-11 variant 1] - Rear of hull built up M113 [SS-11 variant 2] - Right-centre rotating missile mount M113 [Waterjet Propulsion kit] M113 [XM175] - grenade launcher in pot-belly open turret M113 [ZU-23] - Lebanese modified fire support vehicle M113 ACAV M113 AVLB [1] - 33' span front-mounted bridge M113 AVLB [2] - 30' span rear-mounted scissors bridge M113 C&R - Series of smaller vehicles utilising M113 components M113 Grasshopper M113 Porcupine M113A - Australian armoured personnel carrier variant M113A [Milan] - Milan portee variant of the M113A M113A [Recoilless Rifle] - Rcoilless rifle portee version of the M113A M113A1 - New diesel engine M113A1 [Air Defence - Pakistan] - Fitted with a combined gun/missile-launcher mount M113A1 [Ambulance - Denmark] M113A1 [Blazer] - Fitted with General Electric's Blazer air-defence turret M113A1 [Stretched] M113A1 [T50-NZ] - Ex-Australian Army M113A1LRVs modified for service in the Balkans M113A1 [TC-13] - Fitted with the Santa Barbara TC-13 turret M113A1-B - Belgium variant of M113A1 APC M113A1-B-AMB - Ambulance version of M113A1-B M113A1-B-ATK - Three hatch version of M113A1-B optimised for the anti-tank role M113A1-B-CP - Command Post version of M113A1-B M113A1-B-CRANE - Recovery/repair version fitted with HIAB crane M113A1-B-ENG - Engineer version of M113A1-B M113A1-B-GN - Engineer version of M113A1-B M113A1-B-GN-BULL - Bulldozer blade equipped engineer version M113A1-B-MOR - Carries 120mm mortar M113A1-B-MTC - Repair version of M113A1-B M113A1-B-REC - Recovery version of M113A1-B M113A1-B-MIL - Milan armed version of M113A1-B M113A1-B-SVB aka M113A1-B-SCB - Radar version of M113A1-B M113A1-B-TRG - Driver training version of M113A1-B-MIL M113A1-P1 - IFV version M113A1/Vulcan A M113A1/HS-820/665 Triple 20mm with partial shield M113A1B - FSV with Cockerill Mk IIM turret M113A1DK - Danish Army version of the M113A1 M113A1DK [Variant 1] - Uparmoured M113a1DK M113A1DK [Variant 2] - Modified for use in the Balkans M113A1G - M113A1 modified for use in the Bundeswehr M113A1G [Command] - M113A1G modified for the command role M113A1G PzM - 120mm mortar portee M113A1G BeoBPz - Artillery OP M113A1IT - M113A1 in Italian Army service M113A1IT [TOW Armed] - ATGM launcher equipped vehicle M113A1PO - Portugese army version M113A1 EVESV - Combat engineer version of M113A1 M113A1 Fire Support Vehicle - Saladin turret fitted M113A1 Fire Support Vehicle PI - Australian fire support version with scorpion turret fitted M113A1 Light Reconnaissance Vehicle - Australian reconnaissance version M113A1 Visimodbmp - M113A1 used in OPFOR role by US Army M113A2 - M113A1 with mainly mechanical improvements M113A2 [ADATS - Canada - Preproduction] - APU moved to glacis plate M113A2 [ADATS - Canada - Production] - Smoke grenade dischargers M113A2 [ADATS - Prototype] - Dual-purpose-missile launcher M113A2 [Ambulance] - Ambulance version M113A2 [Delco 25mm] - Fitted with turret from M1047/LAV M113A2 [Eureka] aka TUA - Canadian version fitted with Eureka atgm launcher M113A2 [HVMS] - Israeli 60mm gun armed fire support vehicle produced by IMI M113A2 [Kader] - Egyptian armour upgrade by Kader M113A2 [SM-4] - Fitted with 4 barrel 120mm salvo mortar M113A2 [Tactical Command Post] - Company-level command vehicle M113A2 [TS90] - FSV with Giat TS90 Turret M113A2 [M2 turret] - Fitted with turret from Bradley MICV M113A2 [RO120] - Fitted with Royal Ordnance 120mm mortar turret M113A2 Tactical Command Vehicle M113A2E1 - Extended version of M113A2 M113A3 - Upgraded M113A2 with new engine M113AS3 - Australian upgrade to their M113A's M113E1 - GE gas turbine engine M113E2 - Diesel engine M113G - Original version in use with Bundeswehr M113G [Hot] - HOT armed tank destroyer variant M113G [Rasit] - Bundeswehr Rasit radar M113G Beobachtungspanzer - Forward observation officers vehicle M113G Radarpanzer - fitted with 'Green Archer' mortar locating radar M113G1 KRKW GEP - Ambulance version M113G2 KRKW GEP - Ambulance version M116 - Steel version of M113 M116 [Davy Crocket] M125 - 81mm mortar portee M125A1 - Improved M125 M132 - Flamethrower variant M132A1 - F/T variant on M113A1 M162 - aka M113A1/HS-820/665 M163 - 20mm vulcan armed SPAAG M543 - Recovery with 5t crane M548 - Cargo carrier M548 [AN/MPQ-4A] - Radar version M548 [Skyguard] - Radar version M548 [SLUFAE] - Mine clearing system based on M548 chassis M548 [Welder] - Vietnam modification M548A3 - Tracked armoured load carrier M577 [Command] - Initial production versionwith a prominent weld line M577A1 - Improved M577 with one-piece sides and diesel engine M577A1 [Ambulance] M577A2 - Tracked armoured command vehicle M577A3 M577A4 - MTVL Based Command Post Vehicle M579 Fitters/recovery version M667 - Lance Launcher/transporter M730 aka Chapparel - Bubble type canopy on fire unit M730A1 - Flat canopy on fire unit M730A2 - Vision device on lhs launcher arms M732 - 20mm vulcan armed SPAAG M741 - Base vehicle for M163 M806A1 - Winch equipped recovery vehicle M901 aka ITV - ATGM variant M901A1 - Improved ITV vehicle M981 aka FISTV - Artillery OP M1059 - Smoke generating vehicle M1064 - 120mm mortar portee M1068 - Command post version Machbet - Modified M163 with missile launcher in Israeli Army service Minenwerferpanzer 64 aka Mv.Pz.64 - Swiss M106 fitted with local 120mm mortar MTVC - Mobile Tactical Vehicle Light, Cargo Carrier MTVE - Mobile Tactical Vehicle Light, Engineer MTVF - Mobile Tactical Vehicle Light, Fitters Vehicle MTVR - Mobile Tactical Vehicle Light, Recovery Vehicle MTVL - Mobile Tactical Vehicle Light MTVL Hybrid-Electric Track Technology Demonstrator MTVL-UC aka XM1108, Universal carrier - MTVL Based Universal Carrier Nile 23 [Gun] - Modified air defence version gun system for Egyptian Armed Forces requirement Nile 23 [Tracker] - Modified air defence version tracker system for Egyptian Armed Forces requirement NM 113 - Basic M113 in Norwegian Army service NM 125 - Mortar Portee version of the NM-113 NM135 - Norwegian MICV fitted with Hagglunds 20mm turret NM 142 aka Rakettpanserjager - NM113 fitted with the Kværner Eureka TUA turret PaNsret MaskinKanon aka PNMK - Danish fire support vehicle PaNsret MaskinKanon M/92 - Upamoured PNMK Ruag LMCT - light mine clearing tank SAM-D Launcher - Rear-mounted six rocket projector on M548 SAM-D Radar - Rear mounted radar on M548 Schutzenpanzer 63 - Swiss version of M113 Schutzenpanzer 63/73 - Swiss M113 fitted with Pbv.302 turret Schutzenpanzer 63/89 - Uparmoured Schutzenpanzer 63/73 Schutzenpanzer Kommando 63 - Swiss M113 fitted for command Schutzenpanzer Kommando 63/73 - Swiss command variant of SPz.67/73 Schutzenpanzer Kommando 63/89 - Uparmoured Schutzenpanzer Kdo Spz 63 Schutzenpanzer Kran 63 aka Kranpanzer 63 - Swiss Fitter's vehicle Sher - Modified Pakistani variant Sidam - Italian air-defence version armed with 4x25mm cannon Sinai 23 - Modified air defence version for Egyptian Armed Forces requirement Skorpion - M548GA1 fitted with mine laying device T113 - Prototype with 4 roadwheels and trailing idler T113E1 - Prototype with trailing idler removed T113E2 - Final prototype for M113 T116 - Cargo carrier prototype T117 - Steel version of aluminium T113 T149 - M113 with rear mounted SS-11 T195 - 105mm howitzer carriage T195 [Modified] - Missile projector T195E1 - Diesel engined version T196 - T195 with 155mmm howitzer T249 aka Vigilante B - Air defence vehicle with vulcan gun in large turret T257 - Prototype for M125 mortar carrier T257E1 - Prototype for M125 mortar carrier T257E1 [AN/MPS30] - Ground surveillance radar T257E2 - Diesel engined prototype for M125A1 mortar carrier TIFV - Turkish Infantry Fighting Vehicle TIFV [AAPC] - 12.7mm machine gun turret TIFV [81mm Mortar] TIFV [120mm Mortar TIFV [TOW] - aTGM launcher Ubermittlungspanzer 63 - Swiss radio vehicle Ultra - SAF adaption of the M113 to an IFV VCC-1 aka Camillino - Italian infantry fighting vehicle based on modified M113A1 hull VCC-1 [Saudi Arabia] VCC-2 - Italian infantry fighting vehicle based on standard M113A1 hull VCC-80 - Italian MICV based on M113A1 components XK10 - Resupply vehicle based on an extended version of the K200A1 chassis XM166 - M42 mount on M548 chassis XM233E1 - Fitted with TOW atgw system XM474 - Hybrid radar carrier XM474E1 - PERSHING missile carrier XM474E2 - PERSHING warhead carrier XM501 - HAWK loader/transporter XM501E1 - HAWK loader/transporter XM501E2 - HAWK loader/transporter XM501E3 - HAWK loader/transporter XM546 Mauler - Air defence missile system XM546E1 Mauler XM548 - Unarmored cargo carrier XM548 [AA] - Twin HS820 mount XM548 [Ammunition Carrier] - Fitted with hoist XM548 [Recovery Vehicle] XM548E1 - Unarmoured cargo carrier XM577 - Prototype command post XM577A1 - Diesel engined CP prototype XM579 - Fitters vehicle XM667 - LANCE launcher/transporter prototype XM667E1 - Amphibious prototype XM688 - LANCE loader/transporter prototype XM688E1 - LANCE Loader/transporter prototype XM696 - Light armoured recovery vehicle XM727 - HAWK missile launcher XM729 - LACIC vehicle XM729E1 - RACI vehicle XM733 - RACI vehicle XM733E1 - RACI vehicle with gunners cupola XM734 - M113A1 modified to MICV XM734 [Variant 1] - Firing ports on side modified and ACAV kit fitted XM734 [Variant 2] - Recessed firing ports fitted XM734E1 - FMC cupola turret fitted XM734E2 - Firing ports on side reduced to three XM741 - M548 with M163 gun system XM742 - ARV variant of XM803 XM743 - AVLB variant of XM803 XM745 - CEV variant of XM803 XM752 - Improved XM688 XM754 HAWK SPAAML XM765 - IFV prototype XM806 - Recovery version based on M113 XM806E1 - Recovery version based on M113A1 YPR-765 - Dutch series based on the AIFV The one that really made me go "huh?" is the M113 fitted with gas turbine engine. 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That is a very long list! There are of course prototypes that became serial production models. As I scanned the list, several jumped out. The infantry APC, the recovery vehicles, the cargo carrier and the CP. It stands to reason that once the designers had a working platform, they would prototype other ideas for it. So if the mission was suited for an unarmoured 'carrier', then the M548 would have been the building block. If you edited the list to group it by base vehicles, it would be more manageable.
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True. I just copied and pasted it and threw it in here for interest sake. I did test it by thinking of a couple of obscure (but operational rather than concept) vehicles and they were in there. Which is what made me think whoever put this list together, did their homework well. Note that both Netherlands and Canadian Lynx are listed rather than just "Lynx". Likewise the Aussie Saladin and Scorpion turreted variants of the M113A1. I still think the idea of an M113 with a jet engine in it was a strange idea, can't see how that would have been a success? Regards Doug Quote:
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I cannot see a link with the above mentioned Hawk vehicles to the M113 family except that they are both tracked.
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M113A - Australian armoured personnel carrier variant
M113A [Milan] - Milan portee variant of the M113A M113A [Recoilless Rifle] - Rcoilless rifle portee version of the M113A These should, of course, be M113A1, and both the Milan and 106mm RCL 'portee' variants were designed to have the weapon fired from them, and not dismounted, so not actually a 'portee' in the strict sense of the word. Other Aust 'one-offs' (or 'two-offs) include the M113A1 with dozer attachement. Then there are the M113AS2 (four of), M113AS4 (the current vehicle) and other 'AS' (Australian) variants developed in more recent times within Australia, such as the ALV. Interesting list nevertheless. Thanks Doug. ![]() Mike |
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The Lynx used the M113 power pack. There were some differences with the ancillaries compared to the M113 but it was the same unit. As was standard practice when something in the back went boom, the driver would work with the second line wrench benders to change it out. We usually pulled the complete pack (whereupon the driver descended into the engine compartment with lots of rags to clean out years of filth and recover lost drivers tools from the last five drivers) and then it was out to assist the change over of the major parts, engine, transfer case or transmission. The drive train components came bare of ancillaries that would have to be swapped over to the new unit. Once all bolted together back in she went.
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