Historic Vehicle Plates: Pros/Cons in Ontario, Canada

[david moore]

Grant/Eric
I am now really confused about which vehicle/trailer combination needs registration other than the standard mandatory vehicle plate registration.

I'm talking here of a standard pick-up (3000kg) with 2 axle trailer (GVW i.e. max load designed for of 3500Kg but actual weight much less even with load).

The examples from MTO that you quoted, Grant , talk of trailer weight less than, or more than 2800 kg. Is this the ACTUAL weight of trailer and load or the RGV weight for which the trailer is designed which would often be much higher than the actual weight?

[Eric B]

Hello David

Is 3000 kg your empty or registered weight?

I am guessing that this is your Registered Gross Vehicle Weight on the right side of your registration. If this is your RGVW you cannot exceed that weight with any load, or load/ trailer combination. Otherwise you pay by the kg overweight.

Look at your Gross vehicle weight (GVW) this is your empty weight on the left side of your registration.

Add that to the empty weight of the trailer. (On your vehicle registration) You should find that it may be higher than 3000. If so you need to increase your RGVW at Service Ontario to reflect your true weight. Your actual weight has to be lower than that of the RGVW.

With your trailer having a RGVW of 3500 kg (from your data plate) this will place your combination higher than 4500 kg. It is what the trailer is capable of carrying and not what you are actually carrying. As such you need to have an annual safety inspection on both the truck and trailer.

If your actual combined weight is less than 4500 kg you will not need a CVOR. If it is higher than 4500 kg then you will need a CVOR.

Remember CVOR and Annual Safety Inspections are two different things.

In addition if you need a CVOR you should also require a pre-trip inspection and possible a daily log book depending on the distances you travel. Even if just done once.

Thanks
Eric

[david moore]

Thanks, Eric - now very clear. I'll be checking actual weights in the spring when I can get at the kit but it looks like I may be in the commercial haulage business unintentionally!
Frankly, for about 4 or 5 outings a year it may not be worth all the hassle so I may bow out gracefully!

[Mike Gray]

Eric,
Our trailer GVW goes to 10,400 lbs., max. The M37 ramps up well, at just under 5,800 lbs. The M38 is a lighter haul, at just over 2,000 lbs. So we stay well within the load limits. Locking down to ensure compliance to MTO is necessary.
However, it does make travelling to events a bit of a chore, and we may cut back on going out with our MV'S.

[david moore]

This thread has been very useful indeed - lots of things I had no idea about and this is true I'll bet for many others . What about adding this thread to the restoration forum?