Early Mk.I* "TL13F", CB180

[Nech]

Few new details, the carrier is still under the tarpaulin cover until I'll finish the workshop expansion. I noticed there are no holes on the division plate, where the dataplate is usually located. Am I right, they were never present on those early carriers?

Michael yes, the air cleaner instructions are present and are present as well as the original air cleaner.

[kevin powles]

Martin, Here in upper hull CB253 so will give you a guide to what yours will look like. Interesting your dash has the Canadian speedo, and British oil and temp gauges. This carrier is almost restored now.

that division plate i.d. plate (above drivers right shoulder) was on later mk's of carrier, yours is on the front right wing which you have.

your left track is on the wrong way round too, (not that it matters as i've seen wartime pics the same).

Anyone any ideas on the numbering on the side of mine?.

kevin.

[Lynn Eades]

It also has an original British Light/ Ignition switch assy.

The steel buttoned horn button looks like it is original, but I have not seen one like it before.

[Nech]

Thanks for info! Here is the horn button from the side view:

[eddy8men]

nice project martin, I too will be restoring my mk1* (again) and I'm sure we can help each other along the way. good luck with the resto

rick

[RichardT10829]

Taking yours to Normandy next June Rick ?

[Nech]

Originally Posted by eddy8men

nice project martin, I too will be restoring my mk1* (again) and I'm sure we can help each other along the way. good luck with the resto

rick

And good luck to you Rick! Count me in!

[rob love]

Originally Posted by kevin powles

Anyone any ideas on the numbering on the side of mine?.

kevin.

Kevin

Your lettering and numbering is the early domestic (in Canada) system.

The upper letters will denote the unit or training school. I can't quite make out your letters. It is possible the last part of it is CSR for Canadian Scottish Regiment.....perhaps the first part is HMG for heavy machine gun?

Below that is the T which is for tanks and carriers including standard, 2 pdr equipped and mortar.

The numbers below that are the year. It can be the following year from production.....consider it more the year it was given the DND registration, followed by a-1-, followed by a sequential number which can be one to four digits indicating it's registration number. By what I have seen these appeared to be applied almost in batches locally rather than each vehicle being given a number as they left the factories.

So in the end your numbering is:

ABCDE (unit or school designation)
T (carrier)
41-1-405 DND registration for 1941, being the 405th vehicle registered.

If you can bring up the lettering more clearly for your unit we may be able to decipher it.

This registration system of numbering was changed in 42 to a different format. Some of the earlier vehicles got re-numbered and some didn't.

Edited to add: the letters of the unit intrigued me so I did a little more research. I think I found it thanks to Wikopedia.

66th Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment, RCA

• Originated 1 August 1930 in Nanaimo, British Columbia as the 2nd Battalion, The Canadian Scottish Regiment
• Amalgamated 15 December 1936 with "A" Company, 11th Machine Gun Battalion, CMGC, and redesignated as the 2nd Battalion

(Machine Gun), The Canadian Scottish Regiment

• Redesignated 7 November 1940 as the 2nd (Reserve) Battalion (Machine Gun), The Canadian Scottish Regiment
• Redesignated 1 January 1941 as the 2nd Battalion, The Canadian Scottish Regiment
• Redesignated 15 October 1943 as the 2nd (Reserve) Battalion, The Canadian Scottish Regiment
• Converted 1 April 1946 to artillery and redesignated as the 66th Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment (Canadian Scottish

Regiment), RCA Amalgamated 31 December 1954 with The Canadian Scottish Regiment (Princess Mary's) and the 62nd Anti-Tank Battery, RCA

So my guess is your markings are something along the line of:
2B(MG)CSR
....T
41-1-405

[kevin powles]

Originally Posted by rob love

Kevin

Your lettering and numbering is the early domestic (in Canada) system.

The upper letters will denote the unit or training school. I can't quite make out your letters. It is possible the last part of it is CSR for Canadian Scottish Regiment.....perhaps the first part is HMG for heavy machine gun?

Below that is the T which is for tanks and carriers including standard, 2 pdr equipped and mortar.

The numbers below that are the year. It can be the following year from production.....consider it more the year it was given the DND registration, followed by a-1-, followed by a sequential number which can be one to four digits indicating it's registration number. By what I have seen these appeared to be applied almost in batches locally rather than each vehicle being given a number as they left the factories.

So in the end your numbering is:

ABCDE (unit or school designation)
T (carrier)
41-1-405 DND registration for 1941, being the 405th vehicle registered.

If you can bring up the lettering more clearly for your unit we may be able to decipher it.

This registration system of numbering was changed in 42 to a different format. Some of the earlier vehicles got re-numbered and some didn't.

Thanks Robe, Thants Great !. heres another pic of it slight diff angle.

many thanks kevin, Ironic too as ive mounnted a Vickers M.G. in it!.

[rob love]

That angle shows a little more.

I suspect it may have 2ND BN (M.G.) C.S.R.

Cannot guarantee the small letters beside the 2 or the B. You will have to look for traces of paint in those areas.

Good luck finding photos of the unit during that short time period. There is a unit of Cdn Scottish still in BC. If they have a museum, there may be photos.

http://www.canadianscottishregiment....p?page_id=1021

They have a book available for sale. Perhaps there are relevant photos in it.

[kevin powles]

Thanks Rob, Have sent them an email. I will certainly mark it back up correctly, the carrier has been grit blasted now.
here's a short cut to a bren carrier with number which looks like 41.1.680 on there website.

http://www.canadianscottishregiment....php?LIMIT7=48#

kevin.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by kevin powles

Thanks Rob, Have sent them an email. I will certainly mark it back up correctly, the carrier has been grit blasted now.
here's a short cut to a bren carrier with number which looks like 41.1.680 on there website.

http://www.canadianscottishregiment....php?LIMIT7=48#

kevin.

I had to go through your link to find the photo. If it is the one I think you are talking about there are two carriers. It looks like the other carrier is 41.1.679. Note that they are at Debert by that time, which is on the Eastern coast, several thousand miles away from BC where the unit was originally, so the carrier numbers and markings on the carrier in this photo will differ from your carrier. Units will not have dragged their equipment across the country with them, and Debert may have been a bit of a training depot, so the carriers may not get any markings beyond the DND number.

Anyway, we are really getting off track from the TL13 thread. Perhaps this discussion could be moved to it's own thread.