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14-08-15, 21:20
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rear wheel seal
HI ALL,
I am looking for the this oil seal, rear wheel oil seal. any ideas?? thanks arie 
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14-08-15, 21:41
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Hub Seal
If you mean the inner Hub seal for the Carrier, Ford 3 ton diff, Mac's Auto parts in the USA.
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15-08-15, 03:13
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Maybe also a BB-1175-C grease seal...
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15-08-15, 07:31
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Just for clarification, the BB-1175-C is the inner hub seal. (bottom one)
The top one (outer) is one version. it is the fabric one. there is a metal one as well. Don't forget to clean out the tell tale hole in the backing plate.
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21-09-15, 20:26
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HI ALL,
I suspect that there was some oil wet the lower show, so , in this case, am I risking bad brakes? or bad steering? thanks arie
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#8
21-09-15, 21:47
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If you have gear oil coming out of the backing plate or bottom of the drum, then both seals are at fault. You can have a brake grab fairly harshly, which in turn could effect your steering on a panic stop. Conversely, you can have the brake innefective, which again can effect the steering on a panic stop.
If you have brake fluid coming out of the backing plate, then the wheel cylinder is at fault. Either one of these requires attention. In the military, we would ground a vehicle for either until the repairs were done.
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21-09-15, 22:39
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thought so...does any one here knows where I can get that inner pil seal?
arie
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#10
21-09-15, 23:01
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It is a Federal Mogul seal number 5751. Ask at your local seal supply warehouse but be ready for sticker shock. NAPA lists theirs as a 31284, which will run you $$136 if you pay full retail.
Best bet is to order online from Mac's auto, where they are only $20 or so. As well, they will have the splash shield built onto them. Some vendors will just sell you a plain encased seal which will allow the leaking oil to go directly to the brakes. While some will debate the neccessity of the outer seals, I personally use them. For the extra $20 (by the time postage is paid) per wheel, it is nice to have the oil held back at least a little bit.
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21-09-15, 23:35
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HI ROB,
do you know the number this seal is listed at MACS AUTO? thanks arie
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#12
22-09-15, 00:47
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22-09-15, 02:07
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Duh
Hmmm... Duh. Sure lookes like a BB-1175-C to me.
Be aware of the new parts numbering system since Mac's is no longer the Mac's it once was. While you are at it, the ring, grease retainer snap, BB-1180C may be something to buy two of and toss into the shipping package. FUC-03 page(s) 4,5, and 7. Last edited by Michael R.; 22-09-15 at 13:50.
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#14
22-09-15, 10:21
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BTW Rob, I'd be very surprised if Arie had brake fluid running out of his carrier brakes.
I think I can safely say that (with regards to original build) I will be the only one in the world that that could happen to.
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Bluebell Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991 Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6. Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6 Jeep Mb #135668 So many questions....
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#15
22-09-15, 13:40
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Lynn
You are absolutely correct....this thread has run so long on something as simple as a pair of wheel seals that I had forgotten what the original vehicle was and was thinking truck. So in response to your question about the steering, with regard to a carrier, then absolutely.....only clean shoes on nicely surfaced drums will produce proper steering or brakes. Leaking oil or grease onto your shoes will just about make the steering non-existent.
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22-09-15, 16:04
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THANKS ROB
I bought the seals. these seal are on the inner side of the brake drum, is that correct? arie
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#17
22-09-15, 22:34
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Yes they are. But you should also have the other seal on the outside. Those are fairly rare, and as discussed earlier, Dirk Leegwater out of the Netherlands has them, or else it would now appear that Brian Asbury out of Canada has them.
If the seals you get for the inner or outer are leather (and many of them are) then don't forget to soak them in gear oil for an hour before installation. You are supposed to soak a leather seal in the fluid it is meant to control before installation.
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30-09-15, 11:34
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hi all,
i just got these seals, they different to me, + someone here sent me a pic of hime intaling this seal and I lost it, will be happy to sea it again thanks arie Last edited by arie teomim; 30-09-15 at 20:33.
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30-09-15, 13:43
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That is the correct inner hub seal. Some vendors will sell you a seal that does not have the profection into the center to guide the oil out of the brake area, but the one you show is the correct one.
Do you have a photo of your old seal?
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30-09-15, 16:10
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no, I dont have, I didnt want to pull it out before I make sure I have the right one.
thanks arie
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#21
30-09-15, 20:01
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Arie, there is a metal cup that bolts on with the (brake) backing plate. This directs any oil that leaks from the seal, out through the "tell tale" hole in the back plate. I would pack the bearings with grease (not oil) The outer seal will stop diff oil from mixing with the grease in the hub (wheel) bearings.
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30-09-15, 20:14
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I thought that I posted a reply on here earlier, but it must have failed. I found an old piston from a Ferguson tractor that fitted the outer shoulder perfectly and I was able to press the seal in without damage. Only put pressure on the extreme outer shoulder when you fit the seal. regards, Richard
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#23
01-10-15, 19:24
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this will not fit , unless the narrow side goes into the hub, which will make it different than the original one
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#24
01-10-15, 19:42
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The seal is the correct item. I suggest you post a few digipix of what you are doing.
You would have removed a spring steel retaining clip before you could have removed the existing seal. The retaining clip is on the brake drum side, the old seal pushes out toward the retaining clip side.
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#25
03-10-15, 16:55
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HI ALL,
THANK YOU ALL, your guidance was very very helpfull. I was able to instal the seal today. thank you. now I ned to know which is way to put the out seal. att is a pic. shoul I put it this way or the other way? thnaks arie
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#26
03-10-15, 17:15
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That is the correct way. You always put a seal with the lip pointing at the lubricant you wish to control. In this case, it is the gear oil from the differential that you are trying to keep out of the bearings.
On other vehicles with a similar seal, the slot on the tang is normally filled with a little piece of cork to prevent gear oil from getting to the bearings. The tang locking washer compresses the cork between it and the seal. The carriers did not do this, but it is an option.
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#27
03-10-15, 17:17
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