Snail's pace Blitz rebuild - Page 4

Ryan · #91 06-04-13, 10:33

Hi guys,
Still working on the brakes. All disassembled now, well nearly.
What is a good source of Ford Brake cylinder rebuild kits or rubber seal kits?

Also, I have 20litres of army green acrylic lacquer which I will be using to paint the old truck. Does anyone know what sort of primer I should use under it?

Ryan · #92 07-04-13, 04:31

Cleaned the brake master cylinder today and was in the process of reassembling it when I broke the retaining internal circlip ( part no. 2174 ).
Can these be bought seperatly?

Private_collector · #93 07-04-13, 11:54

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Originally Posted by Ryan

Also, I have 20litres of army green acrylic lacquer which I will be using to paint the old truck. Does anyone know what sort of primer I should use under it?

Ryan, if it's acrylic, you had better use acrylic undercoat. Same brand would be ideal, if you can. If you had used an enamel or 2 pack underocat, you will have problems with adhesion or worse. You can paint enamel over acrylic, but definately NOT the other way around.

Acrylic over enamel will cause the enamel to react very badly to the solvents in the acrylic (thinner). You get a problem known as 'frying', where the enamel will wrinkle dramatically and come away from the surface it's covering. It can be mild, or it can look severe enough to appear as though you have just put a coat of paint stripper on it.

Acrylic can be satisfactorily sprayed over previous2 pack, provided certain steps were taken when the previous paint was applied. Best avoided though if at all possible.

What type of paint did you apply previously? If you are painting the surface for first time, and if bare metal, use an etch primer before you undercoat. You will achieve a far better adhesion over etch prime, compared with standard primer alone. If surfaces have already been primed, don't stress about it, it won't come tumbling off. Just that optimum grip is achieved with etch first. Incidentally, etch prime is only useful on bare metal. There is virtually nil advantage to using it as a primer unless you run out of primer and just want to finish that last little bit!

When you are applying the top coat, make sure you use thinner of the same brand as the paint you are spraying. Many people will say you can use 'general purpose' (G.P) thinner, but while this is OK you will get the very best atomisation and spraying quality with the right thinner.

Hope this helps, and if you already knew some of this, excuse me from preaching. It's not always information that people get told when they buy paint.

Love ya work

P.S: A good friend of mine, Andy Cusworth, gave me a good tip on how to store leftover paint in he tin. He said to pour a little of the thinner into the can just before you seal the lid again. Pour it gently so it stays on top, instead of mixing into the paint itself. It seals the paint underneath and the paint won't start to dry out. It works really well and was something I had not given any thought to....ever. You can teach an old dog.

Ryan · #94 07-04-13, 12:24

Cheers Tony, thank you for all that, I know bugger all about paint so every bit helps.
I haven't started painting or priming anything yet. Still rubbing back and sanding.
Today I started on the nosecone but before that I removed a sidevalve and gearbox from a Canadian F60S wreck. It's got some other bits I'll cut off too later.

Private_collector · #95 07-04-13, 12:41

Any time. Glad to help. Are you blasting the chassis, or are you stripping by another means?

Ryan · #96 07-04-13, 12:53

cheapo method. Sanding discs, wire brushes etc.

Hanno Spoelstra · #97 07-04-13, 18:41

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Originally Posted by Ryan

Cleaned the brake master cylinder today and was in the process of reassembling it when I broke the retaining internal circlip ( part no. 2174 ).
Can these be bought seperatly?

This one, you mean?

I'm afraid you will have to buy the whole kit, or salvage a used one.

H.

Ryan · #98 07-04-13, 21:45

That's the one Hanno. Bugger.
But then again I do have a truck or two laying around. I'll have a look at the salvage option.
Thanks.

First morning without daylight savings today, god it's dark!

Ryan · #99 28-04-13, 10:25

Anybody have any good tips for removing sidevalve v8 heads?
All the nuts are off but I'm having trouble removing them. I guess they are stuck hard via the gaskets but I just don't wont to use too much force as to do damage to anything.
What tools are good for getting under the lugs at the front and rear of the heads? Apart from screwdrivers, chisels, crow bars.....
Is the a particular point on the head to start from with a hammer?

Keith Webb · #**100** 28-04-13, 10:33

I've often found it's also due to the build up of gunk on the studs. but usually once you manage to break the seal of the gaskets you should be OK. I have resorted to a careful tap under the lugs with hammer and chisel, but being cast iron they can break if you hit them too hard around the edges.

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Originally Posted by Ryan

Anybody have any good tips for removing sidevalve v8 heads?
All the nuts are off but I'm having trouble removing them. I guess they are stuck hard via the gaskets but I just don't wont to use too much force as to do damage to anything.
What tools are good for getting under the lugs at the front and rear of the heads? Apart from screwdrivers, chisels, crow bars.....
Is the a particular point on the head to start from with a hammer?

Ganmain Tony · #**101** 28-04-13, 10:45

Sorry, no good tips, all I can tell you is I successfully got mine off by tapping between them and the block with a hammer and prybar, and stuffed the gaskets in the process..

Hope this is a big help...

Bob McNeill · #**102** 28-04-13, 11:32

if motor turns find cylinder on compression,remove plug, fill with heavy oil, [grease ] bring up and use oil to apply hydraulic force. We once ran an engine with loose head bolts until it popped, took 1/2 hour.

Phil Waterman · #**103** 28-04-13, 17:01

Hi Ryan

Here is one method I have used with success twice. In one case the engine had no compression on that side because of valve leaks on the other the engine was stuck with no compression. The engine is an Ford truck engine as used in `49 Lincoln and shares the use of studs instead bolts with earlier flathead V8s, later that year they went over to bolts which makes removing heads much easier.

I cut a number of wedges of different thickness and worked them in all the way around the head. First a bunch of thin ones giving them each a tap with hammer and working around the block. Then gradually thicker ones, trying to keep the pressure even as I went. What you see in the picture below is thick wedges pushing the head of the top of the studs.

The grease or oil approach should also work as long as you have compression on more than one cylinder.

One other obvious point use lots of penetration solution on all the studs I like acetone and ATF. Really let it soak in, there used to be very thing hole saws that were cut the corrosion out between the stud and the head. This was almost a given on the Flathead V8s with aluminum heads.

Cheers Phil

Paul Dutton · #**104** 28-04-13, 23:46

What's the OD on the studs? I've restored many classic engines in my time. I use FOX wedges on heads, they are very thin steel wedges used in engineering for that very same job! Also to clean out the corrosion down the studs you can use COPPER TUBE.....! If you can get tube the same ID for the studs and OD for the hole. In one end of tube cut jagged "teeth" with a hacksaw. Nothing fancy as you will need to repeat a few times in the process. Either drill a hole in opposite end or attach some form of handle, I use small bar through the hole, an Allen (hex?) Key is fine. Then just slip bar over stud and rotate to cut down between the stud and hole! Works great on alloy housings with steel studs! Thermostat housings etc.

Ryan · #**105** 21-05-13, 01:43

Thanks for the ideas guys, still in th process of removing them when I get time. In the meantime I removed a set of tool box/wheel carrier chassis mounts from a C60L wreck I have. I had planned on fixing them to my F60L but the bolt holes are not present on the Ford. What variant would not require a tool/wheel carrier?

Ryan · #**106** 28-09-13, 01:04

Hi all, I have a F60 with the ARN of 53627. Does anyone have more info in regards to this truck?

Ryan · #**107** 28-09-13, 01:21

Also, just on the macs website.
I cannot see a listing for rear brake cylinder kits in the 1 1/2 inch size. Has anyone got a source for these?
And are these:
http://macsautoparts.com/early-v8-fo...0R3CHL1071994/
they are brake linings, ok for blitz brake shoes?

Ryan · #**108** 28-09-13, 01:32

ok, the 1 1/2 inch brake kit has the modern part number of f3634 according to the modern cmp number thread. Is this an online thing only or can they be had at say repco or the like?

Keith Webb · #**109** 28-09-13, 03:19

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Originally Posted by Ryan

Hi all, I have a F60 with the ARN of 53627. Does anyone have more info in regards to this truck?

I don't have my detailed copies of the relevant pages handy but the range 53603 to 53640 has a lot of Ford CMPs including F60L Stores Binned, Workshop, F60S Water, F60L GS with winch, F15 GS Canadian.

Will check when I have them accessible.

Jacques Reed · #**110** 30-09-13, 00:44

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Originally Posted by Ryan

ok, the 1 1/2 inch brake kit has the modern part number of f3634 according to the modern cmp number thread. Is this an online thing only or can they be had at say repco or the like?

Hi Ryan,

I obtained my wheel cylinder cups at Bayside Brake and Clutch in Frankston.

I had written to ABS a few years ago and they informed me those sizes as used on Ford Blitzes are still available off the shelf hence I just tried my local brake shop. Sure beats hardened years-old NOS rubber. Part Nos are Rear- A725 and front- A857.

Cheers,

Jacques

Lynn Eades · #**111** 30-09-13, 02:00

Jacques, you can probably buy them also in a 0.004" or 0.007" oversize as well.
As your cup says "use with expander" I hope you have them as well.

Jacques Reed · #**112** 30-09-13, 02:27

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Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

Jacques, you can probably buy them also in a 0.004" or 0.007" oversize as well.
As your cup says "use with expander" I hope you have them as well.

Hi Lynn,

Thanks for that info. Yes I assume the expanders are the thin steel backing plates. If so I have them, Front NOS, rear not perfect but usable I think. Have heard some say they are not needed but if the original ones had them its good enough for me to use them too.

Anyone have 4 x NOS 1-1/2" Rear expander/backing plates? Never saw any in any catalog.

Cheers,

Jacques

Ryan · #**113** 30-09-13, 03:14

Cheers Jacques for the heads up. I'm heading into town today so I will go visiting some brakes shops.
Thanks Keith, looking forward to seeing if my number is present in your lists.

Keith Webb · #**114** 30-09-13, 23:48

This was a "Truck, 3-ton Machinery" with engine number listed as 3G7700F which is one digit less than normal, perhaps a clerical error. Sold back to Ford.

Ryan · #**115** 01-10-13, 10:27

kick arse keith.
Beaut.

Keith Webb · #**116** 01-10-13, 11:30

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Originally Posted by Ryan

kick arse keith.
Beaut.

My pleasure Ryan.

Howard · #**117** 02-10-13, 12:53

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Originally Posted by Keith Webb

This was a "Truck, 3-ton Machinery" ...

This would explain the absence of bolt holes for the spare carrier and tool box...

Ryan · #**118** 31-12-13, 08:06

I'm dirty, my fingers are aching and I came close to cutting a vein when my drill got caught in my glove and quickly twisted up. Must have been a good day in the shed.
It's snail's pace but it is progressing.

hrpearce · #**119** 31-12-13, 10:18

Ryan where are the pictures? When I was at school back in the dark ages it was drummed into us, no gloves near any rotating tool.

Ryan · #**120** 02-01-14, 08:06

No pics of the near miss rob, just some bruising.
I was out in the shed again today, more work on the brakes. Using nos shoes to replace the buggered ones, one needed some slight mods for the handbrake holes. These were the ones I bought in nar nar goon some years ago.
Going to replace the wheel bearings front drivers side. Anyone have the part numbers at hand? Timken parts. I'm just not totally happy with their free play so will put new ones in.