Dodge D3/4 APT army identification

PaKlo · #1 17-02-12, 14:42

Hi all, my friend in Czech Republic bought Dodge D3/4 APT, probably originally served in some European army. This Dodge carried older wide body, we have only tail panel from body now. The only marking we found is white number 5905752 in the center of tail panel, the original one in 2'' high numbers, younger version was 4'' high. Is it possible to say what army used this style of numbering? Norwegian or other?

Hanno Spoelstra · #2 17-02-12, 21:12

Hi Pavel,

Welcome to this forum. Please give a short introduction about yourself when posting here for the first time.

As far as I know, the APT was not used during the war,but a number were supplied to countries across Europe to help rebuilding the transportation systems.

Regards,
Hanno

PaKlo · #3 20-02-12, 10:53

Hi Hanno, what to say about me, I am modeller and I am building mostly 1/72 kits of WW2 period, but I many years cooperate with Czech MV collectors. My friends own large collection mostly US and British types, like Jeeps, Dodges 3/4 ton, Fords GTB, Mack NO, Fordsons WOT-3 and WOT-2, M5 High Speed Tractor and others. There are also some Canadian types, not only the mentioned APT, but also Dodge T-110, CMP C60L, C8A and C60 with No 11 cab. I think we discuss few years ago british GS trailer 1 ton.

About Dodge APT - yes I know, that probably never served in WW2, I am surprised how few period photos are for this type, I know only two from post-war Canadian army. We are mostly sure, that this particular APT served somewhere in Europe, but we are trying to find where.

Walde Libera · #4 20-02-12, 19:35

Agreed, I can't find any 1944-5 pictures of an APT in Europe. Here are 2 pictures from Camp Vernon cadets using APT's for signals training. They appear to be a dark green, I see RCD logos and the Canadian DND numbering system post war. 86-490

They used APT's until at least until 1953 when M37's began to replace them.

I found a picture of a restored unit of an APT in Europe. No original WW2 pictures as of yet. Still looking.

Walde
Vancouver BC
Canada

PaKlo · #5 21-02-12, 11:23

And any post-war European photos? I mean from army service, not preserved vehicles. Unfortunately on my friend's APT is missing every part used for marking, it means hood, bumpers and body. The only one is upper mentioned tail panel.

super dave · #6 22-02-12, 01:22

So Walde how is your project coming along ??

Walde Libera · #7 27-02-13, 20:27

Dave

Happy New Year!

Just a frame now, working on the 237 engine. It appears it may have been replaced in the mid fifties. Can't find a serial number on the engine unless I'm looking in the wrong place, found a number stamped in the cylinder head 1072812 under the oil filter bracket and the only other stamp I found are 5 single letters stamped along the left side block one letter in each raised casting protrusion. Letters are C,C,B maybe R, C and D.

Chassis S/N 91166298
Stamped on frame next to Chassis S/N is T236-7476-C

Dash plate reads the same plus:

D3/4 WP/APT
S/M 6423
Date of Manufacture-June 29, 1945

Walde

servicepub (RIP) · #8 28-02-13, 02:29

A few photos to whet your appetite. The first batch show the vehicle with side-curtains, then an RCAF model, then with top and sides down and don't ask me what the 6-wheel version is?

Clive

Frank v R · #9 28-02-13, 03:26

Hi Pavel, it sounds to me like your friend would be Peter?if it is please say hi for me, hey Walde nice coil on that motor , the only item that I did not find for my ignition system , do you have the spark plug housings if not send me a pm,
regards Frank

Walde Libera · #10 28-02-13, 05:33

Clive

Fantastic find! Never seen these before new APT pics, the airforce variant has some interesting mods like 2 gas can mounts on fender instead of the running board, no spare mount, both mods enable unrestricted swing room for the doors.

Also notice an antenna mount left rear box, a "stick on" drivers windshield heater in the last picture, mine also appears to have had a factory installed heater under the dash, this unit likely had a heater too, single drivers side mirror on drivers side, instead of both sides, same as mine.

Walde

super dave · #11 28-02-13, 07:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walde Libera

Dave

Happy New Year!

Just a frame now, working on the 237 engine. It appears it may have been replaced in the mid fifties. Can't find a serial number on the engine unless I'm looking in the wrong place, found a number stamped in the cylinder head 1072812 under the oil filter bracket and the only other stamp I found are 5 single letters stamped along the left side block one letter in each raised casting protrusion. Letters are C,C,B maybe R, C and D.

Chassis S/N 91166298
Stamped on frame next to Chassis S/N is T236-7476-C

Dash plate reads the same plus:

D3/4 WP/APT
S/M 6423
Date of Manufacture-June 29, 1945

Walde

the serial # of the engine should be on a pad on the drivers side of the engine behind the water pump just below the head and should have T236 stamped into it like the picture from the flathead six website.

PaKlo · #12 04-03-13, 22:34

Hi all, thanks for pictures. Does anybody know where is possible to buy copy of manual and part list of APT? I asked Mr. Bowker from this forum, but no answer.

To Frank: Dodge APT owner is Peter's son Tom. His APT is very early, I think only 44'th produced (S/N 91 151 326). It has chassis rebuilded from american origin and fabricaly converted to Canadian version.

PaKlo · #13 05-03-13, 08:04

To servicepub: I think two lowest photos are American WC-52 and prototype of WC-62. See the first version of petrol tank cap and long and high front part of body. Only prototype of WC-62 had small petrol tank cap, serial production had bigger one.

Bob Carriere · #14 06-03-13, 02:59

Grant Bowker has had recurring crashes on his computer and is currently setting up a new system ...... Not sure if he is back on line but will let him know by telephone of your interest in a manual.

Bob C.

Frank v R · #15 06-03-13, 04:46

Hi Pavel , last time I saw Peter was in our camp in Normandy in 2004 , we were all in the Belgian camp,first time I met Peter was at a friends place in Santa Barbara,and we all went to the convention together, we had a great time, I have the parts book with the waterproof supplement, very nice copy , if you are interested please pm me,
regards Frank

PaKlo · #16 06-03-13, 17:18

Thanks Bob for answer and help. Frank I was in Asnelles camp Normandy 2004 with Peter, too. I ask Tom if he is interested in waterproof manual. His car is early version, so originaly no waterproof.

Walde Libera · #17 06-03-13, 19:59

I would be interested in an APT Service manual also, a copy would also work. Was there a parts manual done for the APT's?

A couple more pics of I think another APT in the Canadian prairies, i can't remember where these came from.

Walde

robbby84 · #18 04-04-18, 17:20

Dear All

please join the new Facebook Group CANADIAN DODGE 3/4 APT WP
I'm collecting datas about this particular type of Dodge and up to now we have more than 20 dodge registred

Join it

THX
Rob

Grant Bowker · #19 04-04-18, 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walde Libera

I would be interested in an APT Service manual also, a copy would also work. Was there a parts manual done for the APT's?

Both parts and service manuals were printed for the D3/4 APT.
I (and probably others too) do reprints of these manuals. If you are interested, PM or email me for a quote.