FORD F30 photos wanted!

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Derk

Which cab style is your long wheelbase ambulance, Pat 12 or Pat 13? Reason I ask is that as I understand it 1942 was a transition period between Pattern 12 and Pattern 13. My 1941 Pat12 C60L originally had the 16" wheels and consequently the smaller brakes and front end but at the same time it was fitted at the factory with the winch which would make it a C60L. There are lots of photos of both long and short chassis Ambulances with the 16" wheels. Often difficult to see if they are Ford or Chevy.

I remember reading that the smaller tires was to make loading stretchers easier, and that the Ambulances had softer springs to give them a softer ride.

Wondering if the the same was true for the Fords.

Keep us posted as you start your restoration.

Cheers Phil

[derk derin]

Hi Phil,
I have a Cab 13 Ford 60 cwt long and at first I thought my CMP was a 1944 model as the only date I could find on it was the windshield glass etching 1-44 (the data plates were missing)but then Keith Webb identified the truck as an earlier model,possibly 1942 by the early dash and the smaller steering box and when I was outside yesterday looking it over,noticed a date of manufacture tag on the steering box 1-43 so now I know it is an early 1943 truck.
I am not sure what body was originally on the truck as I bought it with a newer flat deck mounted on the back and with the original data plate missing there is no way to tell.
The truck has been waiting for 3 years now to go to the sandblasters but I was sidetracked with my Ford GPW jeep project and I hope to get started on it next year!I have a thread started with photo's of my truck in the softskin section "Ford 3 ton CMP"
Regards,Derk.

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Derk

Many CMPs are a mixture of parts, the way rebuild and repair facilities worked they didn't bother to keep all of the parts for a particular truck separate, one of the benefits of interchangeability.

Having said that here some thoughts, first I think you are correct that it is an ambulance or other special use truck, long wheelbase on the smaller brakes and axles just would not make sense for a general service body.

Possible things to check does it have a pintle hook and is level with the frame rails or under-slung? How many spring leafs does it have front and rear? How many turns lock to lock is the steering box? Does it have or did it have a winch? With this information and the specification section of the Ford Manual or the parts book I think you can narrow it down some more.

The if it has the straight frame mount for the pintle hook it was probably built with 16" wheels and the wheels have been changed. If it is the under-slung pintle hook assembly it could have been assembled with 20" wheels.

With the 16" wheels on the Chevy the engine is really having to spin at road speed does much better on the 20".

Now of course my observations are based on general information and on Chevy CMP manuals. How about you guys with the FORD parts books adding/correcting my assumptions.

Cheers Phil

[T Creighton]

Originally Posted by Phil Waterman

Hi Derk
Now of course my observations are based on general information and on Chevy CMP manuals. How about you guys with the FORD parts books adding/correcting my assumptions.
Cheers Phil

Hi Everyone
The lighter steering box is mounted on a different front spring hanger casting to the heavier box. Some riveting involved to change them over so each size is probably determined in the factory rather than mix and match.

Attached are the relevant pages from the parts book for wheels and brake drums. You can draw your own conclusions. I hope they come up large enough to read.

Regards, Terry

[Phil Waterman]

Originally Posted by T Creighton

Hi Everyone
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Attached are the relevant pages from the parts book for wheels and brake drums. You can draw your own conclusions. I hope they come up large enough to read.

Regards, Terry

Hi Terry

That's the type of information I was thinking of. Could you tell us what it says in the model line can't quite read the far right one using the 16" wheels.

Cheers Phil

[Grant Bowker]

I read the models as (left to right) blank, F8, blank, F15, F15A, blank, F30, F60S, F60L, F60H and FGT.

[T Creighton]

Originally Posted by Grant Bowker

I read the models as (left to right) blank, F8, blank, F15, F15A, blank, F30, F60S, F60L, F60H and FGT.

Looks like a conflict between the parts book and MBF1
I don't imagine a heavy six wheeler on 16"wheels.

Terry