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[Private_collector]

Jacques,
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Your drawings look virtually identical to my parts. Since I sent you the private message, it has started raining again, so I will have to check & photograph tomorrow. In the meantime, this is two photos I took of my battery holder assembly when I first got it. The box frame has been very badly treated in past, so my knocking it flat won't harm it any further. The two securing bolts have already been removed, and are in quite good shape. Good enough to be reused, and would be acceptable starting point for taking patterns off, if you don't have suitable replacements.

What is the part shown in your first diagram? It doesn't look familiar to me. Is it to show location of the box frame in relation to the base plate?

The only thing I see missing from your drawings are the exact location of the three rivet holes where the two battery securing bolts attach the battery box sides. I can supply that information , once I get a good look at mine. Mind you, you can't get them too far away from where they need to be, if you go off your plans!

[Jacques Reed]

Hi Tony, Thanks again for the info. The first drawing is what I reckon the base of the holder looks like and the spacing of the rivets that attach it to the sides and base plate. I assumed it is a separate piece based on the rivets on the tabs on the sides, or is it riveted directly to the base plate? (You can see I haven't been a draughtsman for 45 years-forgot to label the drawing, fail!)
The dimensions and position of the rivet holes that hold the battery securing bolts would be most appreciated. Again my previous source did not supply them, but in fairness, he was not a "Blitz" restorer. He supplied numerous photos which helped greatly and have attached a couple more here. The one of the front corner may be helpful for the little toe plate that keeps the battery in.
And I am right for the base plate dimensions. Mine is all there and in good condition. Often they are not from years of acid spllls from the battery so thanks for asking.
Brgds,
Jacques

[Jacques Reed]

Hi Tony,
Think I answered my own question! I remember getting the base plate straightened many years ago by the bumper straightening service where I took my bumper. I seem to remember now he mentioned grinding off some rivet heads. I had a look at my base and I can just see the outline of the holes. He did such a good neat job I didn"t see them before I primered and painted it. So I would say they were riveted directly to the base plate. The photos I obtained showed so much scale I assumed it was a sheet metal plate on the bottom. Have attached photo of my "interim" battery holder. You may find it interesting the Baldwin fuel filter element in it. The first truck had the remains of an AC GF-132 filter inside the filter housing. When I cross referenced, I found Baldwin makes one for it and bought it locally in Melbourne. I think it is a lot better filter than the original brass leaf type. And, just like the engine, I am willing to deviate from 100% original if it doesn't affect appearance but improves reliability.
Brgds, Jacques

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by Jacques Reed

I Have attached a photo .... You may find it interesting the Baldwin fuel filter element in it. The truck had the remains of an AC GF-132 filter inside the filter housing. When I cross referenced, I found Baldwin makes one for it and bought it locally in Melbourne. I think it is a lot better filter than the original brass leaf type. And, just like the engine, I am willing to deviate from 100% original if it doesn't affect appearance but improves reliability.
Brgds, Jacques

Good thinking, Jacques. I can't clearly see the Baldwin number in the pic. Can you provide it please?

We have a thread on Modern CMP part numbers, to which we can add the AC GF-132 and the Baldwin filter as modern replacements. For those who didn't know, the same filters will be useful for MB/GPW owners, as well as other WW2 US vehicles too.

[Jacques Reed]

Hi Tony,
The Baldwin filter Number is PF860.
Available from Baldwin Filters (Aust).
95 Fulton Drive
Derrimut, Vic 3030

While we are on filters, I will do start a thread on some of the info I have on bypass oil filters and cartridges as used on Canadian Ford WW2 V8's. They seem to be different to those on Ford engines from the US (smaller diameter). May help those having a hard time finding appropriate ones. Will stick it in the Restoration forum as I got moved to "B Echelon" on my first posting but it is really a restoration topic.
Brgds,
Jacques

[Grant Bowker]

Interesting -
At http://www.equipmax.net/baldwin/cgi_...empartid=GF133 they say "GF133 Cross to Baldwin PF860" so the Baldwin element may repalce two slightly different AC elements.
They also give dimensions for the PF860 as: Fuel Element Fits: GMC, White Trucks Replaces: GMC 854435; White 871646 O.D.: 2 7/8 (73.0) I.D.: 17/32 (13.5) Length: 2 1/8 (54.0) A. Gskt.: [2] Attached F. Gskt.: G338 UPC: 791440009431

A quick search for price in North America came up with $9.02 each (less in cases of 12) at http://www.baldwinfiltersrus.com/bal..._lookup/PF860/. I have no experience of the seller.


On follow-up, I checked the Baldwin catalog for off highway applications and found that the PF860 is almost exclusive to GMC/Chev applications on a variety of engines between 1957-1965. 283 V8, 292 6 cyl, 302 6, 351 V6, 503 6, 427 6, 360 6, 348 v8. There is also a lonely reference to a White/GMC application, remembering there was a period with GM owning White. The only cross reference found to another filter was to the AC GF133, used in an AC GF30A housing.
For the trivia hunters out there - the only non-GM related application found was for a Chris Craft boat (and that might have been GM powered).

[Jacques Reed]

Hi Grant,
Should have updated my notes. The original filter was an AC GF 133 not a 132. As per the attached photo the rust was right at the base of the second "3" giving the impresion it was a "2". Close inspection by "forensics" shows it is a "3". Seem to now remember this discussion at Baldwin's a few years back.
Sorry for any confusion.
The Baldwin filter fits perfectly, is available, filters better, and conforms closely to the AC filter allowing for slight manufacturer's differences. Thanks for the heads up. Know the frustration of chasing wrong info.
Brgds,
Jacques