m35a2

chris vickery · #1 26-04-12, 05:33

Speedy, a few of these available right here in ON now for sale at $6500...
No need to cross borders.
There are piles of them available in the US for decent money, buyer beware from gov sales. Many guys are dealing down south and they come ready checked out although command a higher price for this service. Lots available in private hands down there as well.
If buying from a gov auction you require a SF97 which is gov release documentation so you can import and apply here for an ownership. The US Gov does not provide ownerships.
To get across the border you require the SF97, bill of sale and need to drop these items off at the border crossing (US Customs) where you will be coming across 72 hours prior to arrival. They will want to inspect the veh when you cross to confirm the serial number etc. They will stamp your papers to leave the USA when they are satisfied. You will report to CBSA on the Canadian side. They will look at your documents, bill of sale etc and your truck to re-confirm serial etc. You will be assessed the HST, payable there.
Done. You will go to the MTO and have an ownership made up, providing the documents that you imported it with. For the time being, you can get an "unfit" ownership until you get the vehicle safetied and E-tested. Because it is overweight it ends up in a different class than say your pickup and will be subject to e-testing because it is diesel.
You can drive on a class G, I believe but this is coming under scrutiny from the MTO as the truck is air over hydraulic and falls into the same weight class as a commercial truck. Since it is a privately owned historic vehicle, I think they turn a blind eye to it although any MTO inspector could be your worst nightmare. I drove mine frequently but I am also classed with an AZ license so I never worried about things to much as far as licensing issue.
Chris

Speedy · #2 26-04-12, 05:57

thank you Chris! cleared up allot.
after reading that it makes it sound like buying on in canada is much easier and saves allot of hassle and time.
I didnt think the class G would allow to drive one, if you hauled with it and the gross vehicle weight would come into affect?

Grant Bowker · #3 26-04-12, 12:33

Since you are in Ontario - here is the MTO listing of what licence is allowed to drive what type vehicle.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dan.../classes.shtml
The older M135 CDN weighed about 13000 pounds empty so a G was enough if you kept the load reasonable. As I read it, you need the Z endorsement to operate a vehicle with air over hydraulic brakes but the GZ combination is allowed. Z endorsement can be earned in a weekend at community colleges, fairly easy to do.

A new (and in my opinion silly) wrinkle seems to have been introduced in July last year. A pickup may now tow a 5th wheel RV of over 4600 kg provided that the combined gross weight is below 11000 kg (and a couple more limitations). OK, but now for the silly part, if the trailer is anything except an RV the trailer is limited to 4600 kg. Same truck, same hitch, same driver, possibly safer in crosswinds due to less side area than an RV but different allowed trailer weight. Clear discrimination against CMP haulers. I don't make, enforce or fully understand the rules but I try to live within them and hate to see goofy rules introduced to silence lobby groups without thought to the implications. In case you are wondering I don't see how a M35 can be fit to the pickup definition (3 axles).

When in doubt, go to the rule book and read it. That way you have the same source that the police might use to charge you.... and remember to review it every so often because the rules can change (in either direction) as noted in the paragraph above

chris vickery · #4 29-04-12, 20:30

For anyone considering a "deuce" type vehicle, I suggest that a M35A2 is your best option out there. Kinda crazy that we can go to the USA and buy one of these to drive on the road here but the CDN Gov't won't allow surplused MLVW to be registered. If you want a M35A2 to look like a Canadian MLVW just change up the wheels to super singles.
The multi-fuel turbo diesel is a great engine and there are plenty of parts available for these trucks. They will easily do 55mph although you need hearing protection, maybe a bit more if you crank up the governor.

maple_leaf_eh · #5 29-04-12, 23:19

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Originally Posted by chris vickery

For anyone considering a "deuce" type vehicle, I suggest that a M35A2 is your best option out there. Kinda crazy that we can go to the USA and buy one of these to drive on the road here but the CDN Gov't won't allow surplused MLVW to be registered. If you want a M35A2 to look like a Canadian MLVW just change up the wheels to super singles.
The multi-fuel turbo diesel is a great engine and there are plenty of parts available for these trucks. They will easily do 55mph although you need hearing protection, maybe a bit more if you crank up the governor.

The US trucks are standard shift, have worse seats and a softop cab. The M35 series is 1950s technology. The MLVW is more 1980s, with a greater emphasis on driver comfort and energy.

Jon Skagfeld · #6 30-04-12, 01:15

Interesting input here, especially WRT the "deuce-and-a-half" type vehicles.

I have been driving, instructing and testing students on the MLVW since it was introduced c.1982, both in the military and, now, as a contract employee.

I don't have a Z endorsement on my provincial license, yet the official MTO air brake manual states that "You must have an air brake endorsement on your driver's licence to drive a vehicle with air-over-hydraulic brakes in Ontario". So it seems that the Z requirement was ignored in this case.

I do have the air brake certificate from the military, but that isn't recognized by the MTO, yet the $300.00 civilian course is recognized by the military.

On our own time, a few of us instructors started the MSVS conversion course, with air brake endorsement on my 404s. Part way through the course, with road time in already, we were told that without DZ on our civvie licence, we could not proceed. So here it seems that the Z requirement was enforced.

If you can muddle your way through all of the above, you'll perhaps realize why I'm asking a great big ... WTF?

Grant Bowker · #7 30-04-12, 02:16

As I understand it, you are allowed to drive DND vehicles on Ontario raods provided you have your 404 and the vehicle is of a type annotated on your 404, regardless of whether you have a civilian licence.
IF this is correct and IF your 404 is annotated for the MLVW, presumably you can drive the MLVW on Ontario roads regardless of the statement in the Air Brake Handbook.
It sounds to me as if you met someone who had read one paragraph of the rule book and failed to read the surrounding chapter(s). The phrase about a little knowledge being dangerous comes to mind.