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12-02-12, 14:31
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Rob Love is absolutely correct.
Point- three summers ago, parked iltis in front of bar downtown Montreal while friend and i sat at outdoor tables a few yards away. for about 45 minutes, every single male (99.99%) gawked at jeep, zero females looked or even noticed, unless it was to yank male partner away or notice his head was turned looking at something....100% males.. ZERO females. Seems the only kind of MVs one will get in the future will come from ex-soviet manufacture..and even then cost will be a huge impediment..(along with lots of paperwork) The hobby may die out, and with so many non-collectors using the iltis as an expendable dune buggy, there may a number of those wrecked in the near future, and if not wrecked, in need of major repair, with a very limited parts supply of certain Iltis specific parts. Seems to me a decreasing number of young people are interested in messing around with greasy rusty auto repair...and there are no computers to re-configure on these old things...
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13-02-12, 09:29
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It is only after a certain time elapses and a certain type of vehicle disappears from the street, when people start collecting and restoring them. This probably concurs with the phase in their life when they have an expendable income and spare time on their hands. H.
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14-02-12, 04:00
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Bob has a point, but there is an important difference..in the 1950s to say 70s, we were often working on old cars to tidy them up, or simply keep them running, if lucky restore them or modify them--
nowadays younger folks messing with the rice-burners do not deal with body work, or 'old' rice burners to fix up or restore ( seems kinda funny to even consider restoring a 4 door mazda or civic) and besides, who back in the day would even consider messing with a 4-door , Now they mostly replace the plastic moulded bumpers, add plastic spoilers to rear and sides, replace the hoods sometimes... buy mag wheels---note Im talking about average guys..not like in the magazines...which if you remember back in the day, we generally had no access to the kinds of shops, or equipment, or money to do the stuff shown in magazine either ! Theres also not a lot of messing with the engine...now its reconfiguring the computer, and adding a loud exhaust ..personally I think the 'car' hobby is much much different now than back even 2o yrs ago. I agree with Hanno to an extent...ex MVs were usually bought as cheaper- allegedly tougher- work vehicles...how many gas statioins in my youth had beat-up jeeps - or maybe m-37, with a snow plough attachment..and as a very local service vehicle (boost batteries),,,often also bought by hunters for the hunting camps..ive seen a few of those in my time. Cant say a lot of jeeps etc were ever bought as bushwacking dune buggies., but thats certainly whats happening to a lot of the iltis jeeps. do agree that originally very little thought given to preserving them as heritage vehicles...maybe that mostly started around the 70s? ...as time allowed a step back and people started to see them as momentos of a very particular time worth preserving and as they were becoming less common I do recall, in looking for an MV back about 20 years ago at the absolute beginning of my interest in the hobby and before I knew many people at all, I came across a barn full- literally- of maybe 12-15 MBs and GPWs in the GTA... there were a few very good parts vehicles, and an equal number of very restorable ones...(actually now, I would say with enough money, they were all restorable) the deal offered...take em all, but give me one back fully restored... aieeeee.... I had nowhere to take them , no way to take them, no place to begin a major restoration..and passed em up... as I was looking for a fairly complete and very easy jeep resto.. I have no idea where it even was now, nor whatever happened to them.. I do not recall anyone else ever mentioning this 'stash'..which would be an amazing find now...and even at the time had i known..or known anybody in the hobbby...... being a total newbie, I didnt realize the rarity of the find at the time... Did they get scrapped????
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14-02-12, 04:32
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Death of a Hobby?
It may be a little early to pronounce the demise of our hobby, but there are signs of its impending appointment with obscurity. Behold the asking price for this tidbit:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/M113A...item4162777068
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14-02-12, 04:49
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Plus who knew we'd have this...the internet to talk to this many people at once. This is why the art of restoring surplus vehicles has gone through the roof ...re the ad on Ebay for the M113!!! It looks very nice but it will not sell in that depressed economy unless it tickles the fancy of someone who has the disposible income to buy it. I too remember the old gas sations that had an M37 for a tow truck slash wrecker. The windows usually broken out and it was never locked! Now never mind there are no wreckers...there are fewer gas staions now than ever!
This is a hobby if you will, equivalent to owning a boat. Yes it would be nice to own a boat that never needed servicng or work done to the engine or weathering for winter storage or the spring time warmup...the batteries boosted, the fuel cleaned and preserved...wait that's what we do! The internet has made it possible for so many more persons to get into the hobby that the old word of mouth that led you to that holy grail of finds is no longer as prevelent. Anyone can go and find a vehicle and buy one now IF they have the means. Thus there will be fewer vehicles to find now. The vehicles we now own will be like the war birds of the by gone era and be transferred from hand to hand unless they are wrecked for parts or destroyed by accidents and slowly they too will fade to museums that can scaresely afford to open the doors...A V Roe in Ontario? Well I guess when I have had enough of this I hopefully will be able to sell my things to someone like us who actually gives a damn about the past and the furture as well. Forums like this help to preserve the hobby and the vehicles we do know about...there are more out there...like treasure waiting to be discovered! So Like Clive Cussler says... " Get up off the couch and go and search for the hidden Treasure!" hahaha There's my two bits worth with change to boot!
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14-02-12, 10:51
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Disposal
Basically the handfull of M113s that are in private hands are the only ones that we will see on the market.
There won't be any new ones.
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14-02-12, 11:12
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Itar
Google ITAR. This may shed some light (or darkness & confusion) on it all.
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14-02-12, 15:35
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Out of 246 currently struck off charge, only 6 have been sold. They are available for sale to any legitimate government, please contact your local military attache. Sorry no private buyers; you will have to wait until the next careful owner phases them out a few decades from now. 
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15-02-12, 14:54
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hold heads high
This has been a very interesting topic, and quite funny as well.
The Iltis is definately the ugly sister. Kind of like riding a moped. It may be fun but don't let anyone see you. We need to hold our heads high for this hobby. It is up to us to keep the interest of MVs in the children. Think about most of us as young teens. Loved the thoughts of owning a MV but torn between chicks, tunes and partying. Not to mention the cost. However even though at that time, the drive to have one may have faded because it was unobtainable and other priorities, it does come back and with a vengeance. You are more mature, knowledgeable and can manage money better to make it work..., and keep the wife happy. My wife hates the smell of her hair after riding in the M38. but my kids love being stinky so its a win win situation. And the M135 is just big to them, so its just awe struck and amazing as they try to drive it, and they are all under ten years old. The next purchase will even be bigger and more exciting (bigger price also probably) . I expect as they becomes teens this will fade but not for long. The point is its a cycle. They will never forget dads passion for these vehicles and will embrace it when they are dads. This hobby will never die Gentlement. There are too many shades of flat green and too many untouched bizarre military machines out there. 
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12-02-12, 17:52
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not many 18-20yr olds..... as like long (!) ago when we were that age and mucking about with old cars. Yes there are some young owners of these jeeps, but realistically they picked them up for 2-5000$ as bushwackers, not because there was an interest in the heritage or restoration..and I fear those particular jeeps ( of an already small nuber avaiilable) will be fairly beaten up in a mere couple of years. the fact is there are more people exiting the hobby than entering, and its getting harder to enter ( finding restorable MVs), and more expensive.. even the Iltis wasn`t originally supposed to be released to the pubic, and we only have them kind of by accident. I enjoy it sure, but as an example I have a 20yr son who doesnt even have a licence and is not even interested in learning to drive (is he my son???)
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13-02-12, 00:00
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Not so unusual......
,,,,,,,when I was 24 all I wanted was a 67 Chev with a 327.....at that time Princess Auto was selling CMP 15cwt practically new for $699...... I would not have been caught dead in a 90 HP 4x4 that could only go 45 mph......
When my son was the same age he bought a M43 anfd fixed it up..... then got a girl friend and got married.... she hates that Green thing.... he never drove it again....... it sits in the back field. There are today a "click" of young guys souping up little rice burners just like we played with Ford V8.... have a look at the news stand,,,,, next to the 4 or 5 copies of Muscle cars magazine are 20 different mags about after market parts for "rice burners"...and other 4x4 ATV... in fact in most major car show focused on the muscle cars of the 60s and 70s ( which have displaced the 57 Chev crowds) they now accept souped up Hondas as a means of increasing the gate profits. Open roadsters have been repalced by the 57 Chevs who have been replaced by the Mustangs, Cobras, Camero, Pontiac screaming chicken and now being displaced by the lowered, souped up, computer chip modified little Jappy imports. As the demographics change so does the interest...... the military vehicle hobby is fading away due to a lack of marketable suitable size army vehicles to replace the WW II and the Cold War era...... The issue has been noticed and a number of articles written in both muscle cars mags and Military vehicle publications.....apparently no solutions is evident. Now I sure wished I had bought one of those Princess Auto cmps or even a Weasel they were selling for $1000. We may be a dying breed.... Bob
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13-02-12, 04:11
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Dying yes but not dead!
I will not go down without a fight and...did you ever notice that most young guys drive the 4 door version of what ever jappy crap they own...? Even the German stuff...? 4 doors! There was nothing and still is nothing worse for me than a four door anything unless it has one hell of a large weapon mounted somewhere on it!
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