Replacment of Iltis: Prototype

Stuart Fedak · #1 16-01-12, 13:14

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Jon Skagfeld · #2 16-01-12, 14:00

That rates a 10 for a morning belly laff!

maple_leaf_eh · #3 17-01-12, 04:28

Where is the LIKE button?

Bob Carriere · #4 17-01-12, 04:57

.... but it is probably not a joke !!!!!

Robin Craig · #5 17-01-12, 05:39

Once sold as surplus after testing at least it will fit in your garage Stuart!

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servicepub (RIP) · #6 17-01-12, 17:12

Looks like a good item for general issue to the Militia.

servicepub (RIP) · #7 18-01-12, 00:42

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Originally Posted by Stuart Fedak

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_(military))

Clive, what are the regs on the display of rubber rifles, such as the C7 Training Rifle?

Cheers!
Stuart

I hesitate to speak on this subject (as well as on import/export controls) as I no longer work in those programs and am not up to date on current policy.
At first blush I would say that this is a replica. The legislation addresses replicas twice; once on import and once on transfer. As you already own the replica (and have since 1995), then there are no restrictions other than the prohibition of transferring it to a business with prohibited firearms privileges.
Remember, as has been stated in another thread, if the replica is used as a weapon then it will be considered as such by the courts. I.e., don't point it, don't go into a bank or convenience store with it, etc...
Replicas used to be defined (by policy) as an item that exactly replicates an existing firearm model in size and colour. In the case of Airsoft-style firearms it is a replica if it fires a projectile at a velocity of under 350 fps. Above this velocity the Airsoft would be a firearm (as it meets the Criminal Code definition) but it would not be deemed a firearm 'for the purposes of registration' as it doesn't meet the 500fps threshold. Confusing isn't it.
On the other hand, a deactivated can never be considered a replica because they were 'real' firearms.

Disclaimer to the milveh community at large - The above is not a legal opinion or a statement of Canadian government firearms policy. You are responsible for the provision of your own legal advice.

Clive

maple_leaf_eh · #8 18-01-12, 03:23

The Rubber Rifles are heavier than a C7 and just don't feel right. They don't balance the same. Except when held over the head, running in stupid circles, hoping for a lightning bolt to strike you dead.

Gunner · #9 20-01-12, 19:17

Hi (jack) Stuart!

Loved the new car .05 cwt command and liaison!

I have found one of the prototype German made Iltis in the Ottawa area. Let me know if one of the Iltis Club might be interested. Its in rough shape but restorable and has German bits which we changed to Canadian when production started here. I have a photo somewhere. I'll see if I can find it.

Cheers! Mike

maple_leaf_eh · #10 21-01-12, 04:23

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Originally Posted by Gunner

Hi (jack) Stuart!

Loved the new car .05 cwt command and liaison!

I have found one of the prototype German made Iltis in the Ottawa area. Let me know if one of the Iltis Club might be interested. Its in rough shape but restorable and has German bits which we changed to Canadian when production started here. I have a photo somewhere. I'll see if I can find it.

Cheers! Mike

We had this conversation last year some time. AFAIR, there were two German Ilti' auctioned from the Airborne Centre in Trenton through Rideau Auctions in Winchester.

rob love · #11 23-01-12, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Stuart Fedak

Well, they do play weekend soldiers......... it sort of fits in with the use of rubber rifles........

Ref: Attached pictures of Canadian C7 Training Rifle
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_(military))

Collectors source has these listed on their website. I purchased one from them years ago. They look quite realistic. I know I was fooled when I was on my 6A course in Borden about a decade back. I watched a bunch of recruits get into their car, all carrying what I thought were C7s. I asked one of the other guys how they were allowed to transport their weapons in that manner. He pointed out to me that they were rubber training copies.

As to the photo of the airdropped Iltis above, most of you know my opinion of the Iltis, and I believe the second photo is now the perfect Iltis.

Back to the original post on this thread, while I could believe the Liberals would have liked to supply the vehicle shown as a replacement, the conservatives seem to have given the CF some of the best equipment they could acquire suitable to the intended purposes. I don't think we will be going to war with softskinned vehicles again in the foreseeable future.

servicepub (RIP) · #12 23-01-12, 16:39

More photos of airborne Iltis at http://www.ramtank.ca/iltis%20photo%20gallery.htm

rob love · #13 23-01-12, 17:12

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Originally Posted by Stuart Fedak

Rob, I was wondering how many seconds it would take for you to bite........

I know in 10 years from now, even you will have an Iltis in your collection. Thanks to folks like me, there will be some perfectly good examples available for the Canadian MIL collector.........

Cheers!
Stuart

Why, are you planning on airdropping all yours?

I wouldn't take one if it was given to me. (Mind you I have said that about other vehicles like the 5/4 ton, but had to eat my words in the end.)

Gunner · #14 23-01-12, 17:28

Good morning Stuart:

You could purchase some cheap personal flotation devices (preferably red as its a magical bullet proof colour according to certain drug addled thugs in West-Africa) and strap or glue them to your prototype!

The FN C1 generation weren't so lucky as to have rubber rifles... we got Ex-1 and 2 rifles (http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3272405) as DP (Drill Purpose) for PT and watermanship training. The jump school also used them for Basic Para. Still had to keep the damn things spotless and woe betide the idiot who dropped his rifle!!

Cheers! Mike

Gunner · #15 23-01-12, 17:34

Hi Stuart:

Here are the photos I promised: first the front end, then the dash with German instruments and finally the tail end with German lights. As Terry noted it definitely came from the Jump School, look at all the extra tiedowns and clevises!

Speaking of jumping Ilti- I think your para flattened one is Belgian; made by Bombardier.

Cheers! Mike

rob love · #16 26-01-12, 16:15

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Originally Posted by Stuart Fedak

This prototype also has enlarged fender storage space for carrying those essential Iltis spare parts.

Cheers!

Stuart

Just long enough to stow an A frame towbar. They actually should have built them right onto the front bumpers, sort of like the old WW2 jeep optional kit. It would have saved a lot of time on the highways.