ontario mounting rules

[rob love]

There is a difference between the rural west, the urban west, and then Southern Ontario. Whereas I can carry my unrestricted guns to and from the house to the shop, or into my vehicles, or transport them visible to the range, I know guys in Southern Ontario who have to almost sneak their firearms into their vehicles as if it were something as untoward as child porn. Vancouver is becoming almost as bad.....I think it was a year or so ago that the police there did a high risk take down of some guys heading to the range because a neighbor saw them loading their guns into the jeep.

The guy putting his club on his vehicle in Winnipeg, then having the swat team at his door arresting everyone a couple days ago show just how far this hysteria has gone. This was not in the crime infested part of Winnipeg either, but in a nice middle class neighborhood.

Even if you are right, you will lose something to prove it, be it your time, your reputation, or your toys. The newspapers will plaster your name and address, along with what you are presumed to be charged with on the front page of the paper, while the NWEST will lie through their teeth at the press information session. Your welded dewats will be described as appearing functional, and your obviously hollow inert ordnance will blow up when combined with some C4 at the ordnance dump. Your lawyer will warn you not to talk to the press. A year later when you are exonerated, the press will not say a word about it as they will deem that not newsworthy.

Anyone here know how those guys fared in the end when they drove the ferret with the dewat GPMG mounted on top up the driveway to parliament hill?

[Seatyger]

Hey Guys- I can understand the resentment and anger this subject brings up. I too feel that way and I am a police officer. I certainly won't apologise for what I do for a living. I own more than 'many' firearms. I have also sold off my C1A1, MP5 amongst others back in the day because I absolutely refuse to pin magazines on a functioning firearm.

So, do I protest and keep them regardless? Sadly no. Being active in the shooting and outdoors community, word eventually gets around as to what you have etc. And frankly I would have more to risk from some 'comrades in arms' who have not grown up with firearms, have never served with our armed forces and who can barely tell what end the bullet comes out.

So using myself as an example, can I articulate myself in Court as to what I have and Why? Very much so. But even if I survived the overzealous, uninformed Prosecutor etc., I would then have to navigate the parallel Police Act investigation which I would not win. Not in this climate of Liberally indoctrinated Senior Management. So a very beautiful, very accurate (as Battle Rifles go) 8L Series FN C1A1 with many C1 & C2 magazines serves on active duty with a Sheriffs Department in the State of Georgia, along with the H&K.

With respect to the MV Circle etc., dont fool yourself. A gentleman is still waiting to receive back his Bren, No.4 MkI and related from Ottawa, because the Provincial Weapons Unit wanted to be convinced that the firearms in question were in fact 'Deactivated'

They dont, nor does the Courts in this area really care about what an approved Gunsmith had to say, even when they did the work! I have every confidence that he will get them back. But they've been gone for 18 months already.

What brought attention to himself? He ordered a mail order replacement barrel from the U.S.

The sad fact of life in Canada is that the Collecting and Sporting communities are far too dysfunctional to rally a truely effective counter attack on the Anti's.

We could argue and yell on this forever. I just want everyone to use common sense and frankly not be stupid when 'flying their colours' so to speak. This Community is awesome in that regard, mostly I think because they have a committed passion for what they are doing.

I find its the younger, XBOX syndrome just an bought an AK Copy airsoft gun who cause 98 percent of the grief.

I have to stop because I will keep typing all night. I am not being an alarmist, I don't want anyone to have to suffer a similar nightmare.

If anyone has any direct questions on any topic relating to this subject PM me. I can only deal with the CFO here in Ontario but I will do my best to get a direct answer for you.

Just dont shoot the messenger if your not satisfied with the answer!

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by rob love

Anyone here know how those guys fared in the end when they drove the ferret with the dewat GPMG mounted on top up the driveway to parliament hill?

I don't know, but after the event quite a few of us with armour were just waiting for some politician to go on a crusade demanding private ownership of 'tanks' be banned.

[rob love]

They nearly inadvertently banned them here in Manitoba.

In their attempt to make it look like they are doing something against the criminal element, the province enacted a bill to ban body armour and armoured vehicles. Gordon F, a member on this site, wrote his MLA, and a government rep came to his house to view his collection. Fortunately the rep liked what he saw, and admitted they had not considered the collectors aspect. As a result, the law (which goes into effect Jan 1) will exclude historic military vehicles.

Due to the forthcoming law I had to give away a great level 2 vest when I left Afghanistan. I am sure the IP (Indian Posse) of North Winnipeg are scrambling to get rid of all theirs too, and will hopefully find the time to pin all those imported magazines as well.

Just so Seatygear doesn't think I am directing any anger his way, I certainly am not. But a certain political party will feel my disdain forever (that is if they even survive the next election....they have been on a downhill slide to oblivion for the last decade.)

[Seatyger]

Rob, I have pretty thick skin LOL! As President of my Police Association I was quoted in Parliament by our MP concerning our distrust and disgust of the Long Gun Registry amongst other things.

We withdrew from the Canadian Police Association over the political Whoremanship displayed when they 180'd on it and chose to support its survival.

Not everyone in an official capacity supports any of this crap. It makes me want to vomit when I see them destroy items of interest to Canadian citizens. Be it Lynx APC's, MLVW's, Browning HiPowers to Naval training vessels. So its is an educational process from within as well. We are getting there, at least in my area. I know of others trying to do the same.

As far as I am concerned Screw the Criminal element and the parasites that feed off them......but that takes work and diligence.

Its far easier to grab something off an established collector.
Someone who likely won't fight back. Or have limited means to do so.

It will take a strong collective effort to make them back off. And they do eventually. Another Cause will be developed for them to Champion.

[Phil Waterman]

Hi All

I've been reading this thread with interest, and though question and the response was more particular to Canada, the thoughts about staying out of problems are pretty universal.

Years ago we had a very active and large regional MV Club in New England in fact had one of the largest conventions. That club for all intensive purposes died over an incident at a club rally when a bunch of drunken yahoos decided it would be fun to go off in the middle of the night for a blackout trail ride. Including an armored scout car with 50cal machine gun simulator. You guess the next event, gee lets fire the simulator while driving around on country roads. Well these guys arrived back at the camp site followed shortly by a very large contingent of State Police. Because these guys had succeeded in blending into the rest of the group, no body got arrested, the "Machine Gun" did get confiscated. The Police did take down the licenses plate number of every military vehicle there. One of the reasons that nobody got arrested and everything got calm down quickly was that some of the people who got woken up at the camp site when all the blue lights arrived were several police officers who were members of the club, they were not amused to hear about the activities.

Result was that the next morning a good sized group decided it was time for a new club that was more oriented on the military vehicles, family camping and having fun driving our MVs in the woods. That splinter group club has been around for 25 years now. The old group is long gone.

So the advice of don't ask for trouble is pretty universal.

Cheers Phil