Strange captured vehicle

[Haridimos]

The same seller has a photo of a FAT with limber and 25 pouder in German management, on EBAY also:

GERMANY_Fahrzeug gepanzert aus England in Afrika_antikfuchs-ebay_May2011.jpg

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Is that a CGT judging by the round ventilation holes? The likely Demands that would cover its delivery are either S/M 2020 or 2028...some of which latter were supplied to the AIF. FGT candidates are S/M 2020 as well.

[Phil Waterman]

We could also call this thread name that CMP

Pattern 12 Chevrolet based on the following:

1. Opening hood makes it a Pattern 12
2. Round air in lets one either side of the radiator
3. Coolant recovery tank above left front fender

What else can be spotted.

Cheers Phil

PS

Keith those are interesting points about the steering ends, some people like Bart Vanderveen would spot details like this and knew the introduction dates because they had a large collection parts books and would cross reference the before serial number such and such with the production serial number dates which would nail things like the when the Chevy coolant tank moved from the exposed location above the left fender to the more protected spot up under the fender. If I remember correctly the date of the change over from horizontal towing rings to vertical can be nail down the same way.

[paul Lincoln]

Looks like a 12 cab F30 to me. That type of marking on the door was mainly used by cavalry Regts.

[Bob Carriere]

Phil

Could it just be a F30 with transpanted 20 inch rims/tires for more clearance??? That would explain the small brake drums / extra clearance.

What size axles do you have on the front of your cab 12....?

It really gets confusing when you start considering that they also made Chev C60L with the small 16 inch rims/axles for Aussie contracts.....

Bob

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

To me those tyres on the water truck appear to look almost new, or at least in unworn condition. I thought that that might suggest that the wheels were indeed transplanted.

Would the water tank etc. have been purloined off a 4x2 1939 Chevy I wonder?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by David_Hayward

Would the water tank etc. have been purloined off a 4x2 1939 Chevy I wonder?

Yes, that is what sprung to my mind, as it reminded me of a picture I saw on this forum (will look it up later).

Definitely not factory fitment, so it is either of local assembly or a field modification.

H.

[Phil Waterman]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

Phil
Could it just be a F30 with transpanted 20 inch rims/tires for more clearance??? That would explain the small brake drums / extra clearance.

What size axles do you have on the front of your cab 12....?

It really gets confusing when you start considering that they also made Chev C60L with the small 16 inch rims/axles for Aussie contracts.....
Bob

Hi Bob

My Pattern 12 C60L has the smaller brake drums and I believe the smaller 5 inch steering balls. I don't think the smaller drum backer plates will fit on the 6 inch balls there is just not enough clearance for the lower adjustments.

My Pat 12 is on the 20inch rims that you brought down to me. Your right about the clearance issue on the 16 inch rims would end up with the pumpkin dragging in soft ground. The smaller 16 wheels does give the truck more pulling power but it is at the expense of road speed besides the added pulling power of the smaller wheels is lost to easier wheel spin/slip with the low gearing of the truck.

The confusion over which trucks had 16 and which had 20s even runs into the Pat 13s take a look at picture #3 on http://www.canadianmilitarypattern.c...20Columbia.htm see what you tell me about the truck wheel size, winch, wheel base this one drives me crazy. There seem to be a number of special use Pattern 13 long wheel base trucks listed as 60 series but with 16 inch rims. This is going to take some search in the parts books to figure out how they did it.

Back to the water truck, found a picture in one of Greggs books that shows the details of the tank fittings that can be seen an that picture identifies the truck as water tanker but it is on a C15A 101 wbs.

[Ken Hughes]

Hi guys,a F60S has one spring leaf more on the front springs than an F30,so if we could see in the photo we would know!,i have tried and can not see it.
Any one able to photoshop the photo?.

[Dianaa]

Originally Posted by paul Lincoln

<snip> That type of marking on the door was mainly used by cavalry Regts.

Cavalry or armour in particular. I'm not sure if it corrolates back to WWII or even WWI but post-WWII in Australia the diamond usually represented HQ.

Other door symbols:

• Triangle - A Squadron / Company
• Square - B Squadron / Company
• Circle - C Squadron / Company
• Rectangle (longest side vertical) - D Squadron / Company
• Rectangle (longest side horizontal) - Support Company / Battalion