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Old 12-04-11, 23:10
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I would like to know as well what guys are using, specifically which brand, colour etc. I know Rob L. had posted on this somewhere here on MLU forum but I think maybe the actual details of make etc were missing...
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Old 12-04-11, 23:44
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I would like to know as well what guys are using, specifically which brand, colour etc. I know Rob L. had posted on this somewhere here on MLU forum but I think maybe the actual details of make etc were missing...
34079 Forest Green (US Color) is a very close match to the bottom 3 pics, but is nothing like the top ones. It's available from most of the US Dealers, but Army Jeep Parts will actually ship it to Canada.

What I'm really trying to figure out is did the color formulation actually change, or were there two completely different numbers for Field Green. Stranger yet, is that out this way, it seems that the "top" Field Green was actually used as the base coat for the Cam Pattern out here in Gagetown. The topic comes up every so often and the solution never really gets resolved. I'm hoping some folks will chime in so we can put the Field Green, Pea Green, Ugly Green issue to bed.

What is known with certainty is that:

Tremclad Flat Black will work in place of 501-310 Flat Black
Brian Asbury "BCA" sells 503-321
Gillespie 34079 will stand in nicely for the bottom version of the Field Green
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Old 13-04-11, 00:17
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I have been using an original can of the IRR flat green made by pittsburg paint around 1990. The color is basically the same as your bottom photos. The IRR did tend to fade pretty good. The black would turn to grey, and the two greens would almost turn to the same color. The Iltis used a different form of paint if I recall, and weathered the elements quite well, whereas I always found the IRR to be very porous. It did not seem to provide a good seal against the elements.
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Old 13-04-11, 00:23
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I have been using an original can of the IRR flat green made by pittsburg paint around 1990. The color is basically the same as your bottom photos. The IRR did tend to fade pretty good. The black would turn to grey, and the two greens would almost turn to the same color. The Iltis used a different form of paint if I recall, and weathered the elements quite well, whereas I always found the IRR to be very porous. It did not seem to provide a good seal against the elements.
Whats your opinion/thoughts on the top color Rob? Do you think it was originally the same but just faded out to its current form?
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Old 13-04-11, 15:38
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Whats your opinion/thoughts on the top color Rob? Do you think it was originally the same but just faded out to its current form?
Yep. Even the best of hardened glossy paints will fade after almost 30 years, especially when stored outdoors, washed with steam cleaners and made parade ready with engine oils.

I have the original paint color chips book for the CGSB colors at home. It dates way way back. I don't think there was ever a change in the individual color specs on these, but there would have been variation in how they were painted, what reducers were used, and if any hardeners were added. Also, how the paint was stored, how many times it was frozen, and how old it was. Most MLVWs got partial or complete paint jobs during the early 90s refurb program. It was all IRR paint at that point, and the work was done at various civilian contractors.
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Old 14-04-11, 17:38
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Hello Folks

My M151A2 was three tone Camo.
The two greens did fade to look almost exactly the same colour.

If you look on the rear of the roll cage you will see where it faded around the back window and the sides where it was exposed to the sun.

I have original cans of the two greens and the paint ship book as well, and they are both darker than the Pea Green.

I do have a can of Pea green, which i bought a number of years ago. It is a much lighter green but i cannot find an exact reference to it in the paint chip book nor do i have the CDN DND number. This did match a light green which was hand painted on my M151A2 windshield defroster shields. This sample came from a CDN Govt list and was marked camouflage green. For those who have the Govt paint book it looks close to the 103-114 series but a little darker, or 503-322 but a little lighter. This looks close to the faded darker green.

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Old 14-04-11, 18:48
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Eric,

Since Pea Green is not an official color, can you please verify what color (503-321, 503-319 or Flat Olive Drab, Field Green etc etc) it is you are referring to as "Pea Green".

Better yet, why not post up a pic of the Can Label?

Honestly, the term Pea Green has caused me a ton of confusion and I'm guilty of using the term myself.

The Defrost Shields are missing in your pic....

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