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Old 10-08-10, 20:33
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Hopefully the database holds some info on a couple of our local club members otherwise history-less vehicles:

1. M38 CFR 52-30688
2. M38 CFR 52-30323
3. M37 CFR 52-40764
4. M151A2CDN 74-09188

(That first M38 has really been around the block and had a really heavy duty Southwind heater installation and about three layers of tac signs.)

My own M151A2 (not the one in the list up there) was part of a group of PPCLI(3) vehicles that were disposed of in Victoria, but unfortunately any CFR markings are looooong gone. Was there a block of M151A2 CFRs that went to PPCLI(3) from which I could sort of adopt one? A lot of the PPCLI ones that were scrapped out here had this really ugly "piece of railroad track" abortion for a bumper done as a field mod at some point, and I was hoping one day to find a pic of one of those in service and narrow the range down that way. Who knew there'd be so few pics of the M151A2 in Canadian service?

Andy Hill
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Aldergrove, B.C.
Andy,

I've got nothing on the 2 x M38 and the M37. This info is long gone now from the server.

The M151A2 is originally from LDSH, followed by 15 Fd (Arty):

CFR Information
CFR No 09188
CFR Year 1974
Serial No 43753
Actual ECC 121401
Authorized ECC 121401
NSN
ERN 30105
Holding Unit 0122
DA Unit 0122
Date Acquired 01-Jan-74
Cost 0
Alloc Code MD
Comm Suite
Current VMO DP357357 - 25-Oct-86
HN Date 30-Mar-88
Pending? No
Disposed? Yes
Disposal Date 05-Jan-88

VMO History for CFR Number : 09188
VMO Type Pending To ECC To AC To HUIC To DA UIC
DP357357 - 25-Oct-86 REGUL No 121401 MA 0122 0122 CFB CHILLIWACK
F86-415 - 17-Sep-86 UPDAT No 121401 MD 0122 0122 CFB CHILLIWACK

The last maint entry was on 19 Mar 86, with a mileage of 66542. Again, this may be in Km, so try converting back to miles if its way off.

Any pics of this said M151 would be of interest. I'm always collecting them as I am still a bit off from completing my M151A2 resto.

As far as a block of CFRs for the VP in Esquimalt:
74-09454 up to 09478
I didn't check each one individually, but as a betting man, I doubt the Navy was using them There were a half dozen more, but were one off CFR's not in any sequence.

Scotty B
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Old 10-08-10, 21:20
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Andy,

I've got nothing on the 2 x M38 and the M37. This info is long gone now from the server.

The M151A2 is originally from LDSH, followed by 15 Fd (Arty):

CFR Information
CFR No 09188
CFR Year 1974
Serial No 43753
Actual ECC 121401
Authorized ECC 121401
NSN
ERN 30105
Holding Unit 0122
DA Unit 0122
Date Acquired 01-Jan-74
Cost 0
Alloc Code MD
Comm Suite
Current VMO DP357357 - 25-Oct-86
HN Date 30-Mar-88
Pending? No
Disposed? Yes
Disposal Date 05-Jan-88

VMO History for CFR Number : 09188
VMO Type Pending To ECC To AC To HUIC To DA UIC
DP357357 - 25-Oct-86 REGUL No 121401 MA 0122 0122 CFB CHILLIWACK
F86-415 - 17-Sep-86 UPDAT No 121401 MD 0122 0122 CFB CHILLIWACK

The last maint entry was on 19 Mar 86, with a mileage of 66542. Again, this may be in Km, so try converting back to miles if its way off.

Any pics of this said M151 would be of interest. I'm always collecting them as I am still a bit off from completing my M151A2 resto.

As far as a block of CFRs for the VP in Esquimalt:
74-09454 up to 09478
I didn't check each one individually, but as a betting man, I doubt the Navy was using them There were a half dozen more, but were one off CFR's not in any sequence.

Scotty B
Also, that M151A2 that is listed above wouldn't happen to be this one would it? Reason I ask is that it has a 15 Fd (Arty) Tac Sign on it. I don't have any full pics of the Jeep, just some detail shots. Of interest is that it also has the GPMG Mount on it, which was rare/strange for M151s:



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Old 11-08-10, 01:08
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Also, that M151A2 that is listed above wouldn't happen to be this one would it? Reason I ask is that it has a 15 Fd (Arty) Tac Sign on it. I don't have any full pics of the Jeep, just some detail shots. Of interest is that it also has the GPMG Mount on it, which was rare/strange for M151s:



The GPMG mount was tried at LETE on a M151A2, but was "found to be unsatisfactory without extensive vehicle modification". (Quote from the installation instructions for the GPMG on the M38A1Cdn2/3) It's installation on a M151A2 would not have been authorized, nor practical considering the roll cage would severely limit it's arcs of fire.
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Old 11-08-10, 03:58
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Thanks for all the info, Scott. Yup, 74-09188 is the CFR that vehicle in the pics with the GPMG mount is wearing, but the owner, Robert J. Sutherland, basically gave it that identity to mimic a vehicle in his old unit (GPMG mount was added just for fun.) The vehicle itself is actually another anonymous one from the same 3PPCLI disposal I talked about earlier, so its true identity is unknown. I took those pics a few years ago to show someone the basic setup on the Canadian M151A2 vs. the American ROPS cage as respects radios and the like.

Dug through the files at work today and happened across both the photos from the disposal of the 3PPCLI M151A2s out at Work Point Barracks and a list of their serial numbers plus a few sold out of Colwood later on. All the vehicles in the pics have the last 3 of their CFR numbers handily painted on them too, mostly in the range Scott gave earlier.

All of the M151A2s in the pic are 3PPCLI and they all have the ugly 'railroad track' abortion of a bumper on them. Out of the 10 vehicles I could identify in the pics, just the one happens to have an extra jerrycan mount on the fender right in front of the driver mounted in such a way it would obscure the tac sign. Just on the off chance I had a look at my M151A2 from that sale and voila! The holes are there for the jerry can mount, though covered over by a subsequent owner with bondo! By fluke I found my CFR...

74-09464

If you could look that one up for me too, Scott, it'd make my month. I wonder why there'd be an extra jerry can mounted there, for openers, and why just on the one vehicle? Should make it easy to identify if I ever come across any 3rd Pickly photos from the 80s.

My scanner's pooched at the moment (it's allergic to Windows 7) but I'll try get the photos up somewhere public within the next week. All interested parties may feel free to use them anywhere and everywhere.

Andy Hill
Western Command Chapter MVPA
Aldergrove, B.C.
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Old 11-08-10, 11:34
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Andy:

CFR Information
CFR No 09464
CFR Year 1974
Serial No 43846
Actual ECC 121401
Authorized ECC 121401
NSN
ERN 30105
Holding Unit 0103
DA Unit 0103
Date Acquired 01-Jan-74
Cost 0
Alloc Code MA
Comm Suite
Current VMO DP356262 - 27-Aug-86
HN Date 12-Feb-87
Pending? No
Disposed? Yes
Disposal Date 11-Dec-86

VMO History for CFR Number : 09464
VMO Type Pending To ECC To AC To HUIC To DA UIC
DP356262 - 27-Aug-86 REGUL No 121401 MA 0103 0103 Canadian Forces Base Esquimalt
F86-204 - 14-May-86 UPDAT No 121401 MD 0103 0103 Canadian Forces Base Esquimalt

All documents show that this was a 3 VP vehicle for its entire career. Last maint entry is dated 30 Dec 84 with an odometer reading of 68724. This may in fact be Km instead of Miles, which seems to be the trend lately on most of the vehicles i've looked up on the EDR Viewer.

Not sure how clean this will come out in the post, but I discovered I can pull this data into Excel, then paste it in. Sadly, the maint logs don't actually show what was done, but its a rolling record of the mileage. The mod instructions list is quite handy for determining which holes are legit mods There is another thread in here called "Looking for Canadian M151A2 Pictures...." and I believe Rob Love detailed each mod to the CFTO numbers below.

CFR Number : 09464
Format Work Order Number SS Date Completed CIN HUIC Usage Qty Parts ($) Rebuild
6 LM4464 30-Dec-84 255* 1854* 68724 1 19 NO
6 LM3464 29-Sep-84 255* 1854* 68642 1 0 NO
6 LM4464 31-Dec-83 255* 1854* 66641 1 268 NO
6 LM1464 31-Mar-83 255* 1854* 63714 1 87 NO
6 LM4464 31-Dec-82 255* 1854* 63703 1 82 NO
6 LM1464 31-Mar-81 255* 1854* 57302 1 81 NO
6 L02028 05-Nov-80 255* 1854* 54988 1 90 NO
6 L04087 14-Feb-80 255* 1854* 54986 1 70 NO
6 L03664 21-Sep-79 255* 1854* 50030 1 73 NO
6 L02818 30-Nov-78 255* 2208* 0 1 0 NO
5 L04984 31-Aug-77 716* 2208* 0 1 0 NO
6 L01003 31-Mar-77 255* 2208* 0 2 0 NO

Modification History of CFR : 09464

Modification No Modification Complete Date Completed
30010000CF003* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION NO
30105000CF001* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES
30105000CF003* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES
30105000CF004* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES
30105000CF005* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES
30105000CF006* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES
30105000CF007* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES
30105000CF008* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES
30105000CF012* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES
30105000CF013* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES
30105000CF016* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES
30105000CF017* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES
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Old 11-08-10, 17:08
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Cool! Thanks.

Mine has the 'authorized' holes in the front fenders (to the degree of swiss cheese) where the mirrors were mounted, then broke through from vibration, then were re-mounted by drilling the holes somewhere else. Yay. I'm guessing the mod was done because we never seem to have run without the doors on, and after awhile you couldn't even recognize buildings through that supposedly-transparent vinyl much less see the mirrors in their factory position (I've seen some U.S. ones with two mirrors mounted rather than the standard driver's side only. Works quite well if you run without doors.)

The cage and the fender mirrors are not going back in this one, so it'll have the shifted-forward radio mounts as per the cage install but will retain the older rear antenna setup with the M38A1 type main ant bracket and the M38A1-type rear corner bracket. I'm hoping to have it cam-painted for the Abbotsford Airshow this weekend as we're still sitting on some original IRR paint at work that's still perfect after however many years it's been.

I'll put some pics up after. We scrounged a ton of CANADA plates from the vehicles in the Cold Lake/ Jimmy Lake hard target holding compound (mostly off the old deuces and SMP 5-Tons) so I should be able to make up a decent set with my CFR by mixing and matching stick-ons with the aid of a hair-dryer Worth a shot.

Andy
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Old 09-11-10, 00:29
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Anyone have any access to the list of CFR's to VIN's for the 1956 Triumph TRW motorcycle?

I have 56-90373 among others but this is the only one with a CFR painted on.

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