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Old 07-06-10, 09:30
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Hi Alex I dont think that there are any grinding marks on my unused track but will check it in the moring, I have quite a bit of it and will have a good look, Regards Ron
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Old 07-06-10, 10:47
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Hi Alex I dont think that there are any grinding marks on my unused track but will check it in the moring, I have quite a bit of it and will have a good look, Regards Ron
Hi Ron,

Appreciate you looking into that.

I believe the links must have had feeder and riser and possibly runner metal protruding from them. Depending on the thickness of this attached metal from the pour, it would have been broken off or sawn off and if it was impracticle to leave it without further finishing they'd have ground the worst protrusions off the link.

Also look for fairly straight thin broken off or ground sections, often along long edges where flash may have been removed where the drag and the cope (the two parts of the mold) were joined together. This is known as the parting line. Sometimes the sharp sand corners on either side of the parting line break off a bit before the drag and cope is assembled and this results in what would have been a bit of metal protruding along that seam. These parting lines may appear not all in the same plane because a mold may consist of not just 2 but 3 or more parts (not counting cores).

[inserted 8/6/2010 - Another reason for Parting lines to not appear in the same plane is if the cope and drag faces are not in a flat plane - they may slope in plane too. As far as I can work out, in sand molding lateral thinking is the name of the game. The shape of the object to be cast dictates the complexity of the mold and so long as the basic rules of creating a functional, safe, mold are followed, and the simplest outcome (for economy) is chosen, then how the mold is comprised is left to the talent and skills of the foundryman. Just as important as the ramming and extraction of the pattern/pattern-pieces is the cutting of the feeder, runners and risers so that the metal flows in the desired manner and contaminants are trapped where they are of no consequence, and weight of the metal keeps the casting filled during cooling, and shrinking is controlled as much by design as possible.]

Look at anything cast in metal and it usually has such marks unless it was machined and/or finished all over.

Drop forged (stamped) items like spanners, etc also have evidence of flash most of the way around that is still fairly obvious. yadaa yadaa

Alex

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Old 08-06-10, 02:42
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Hi Alex, just grabbed the first piece that I could, the pics show both ends and sides,along with the number4 on this piece and the makers name Malco,I forgot to mention that on the inside of both of the horns there is a small area that is rased with the letter A and 43,( Aust and the date I would think) these plates must have been attached to the original patterns and are approx one and a half inches long by about one quarter of an inch wide, you can even see the slotted heads of the screws used to attach them,says a lot for the quality of the workmanship in the foundry,hope the pics are of interest, I will dig out some better track if needed in a couple of days,
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Old 08-06-10, 04:40
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The National Archives of Australia www.naa.gov.au has a large number of "Test Instructions" for carrier tracks (amongst other things).
Under "record search" on their website type in "carrier tracks".

A few examples of the instruction titles that they have are;
Test Instruction No 73 - Test No M144-145 - 1 set carrier tracks and sprockets from Eastern Command (partly used)
Test Instruction No 273 - Test No M381 - 1 No set of new carrier tracks (same make), 1 No set of new carrier sprockets [includes one bound copy of report]
Test Instruction No 218 - Test Nos M316-325 - Carrier tracks of five different makes [includes 1 bound copy of report]
Test Instruction No 158 - Test No M274 - Carrier tracks ex Keach Castings
Test Instruction No 2 - Test No 3 - [MG] carrier tracks ex McKay Massey Harris


I would hazard a guess that the track specs would be in one of these reports somewhere.
All these records are kept in Melbourne so if anyone there can spare some time to duck into the archives and trawl through what will probably be pages and pages of useless information they may eventually stumble upon the track recipe...

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Old 08-06-10, 22:21
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Fantastic work Ian well done.... thanks for doing that ! i only hope in amongst that lot there is the recipe for canadian/British pattern links.
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Old 09-06-10, 05:39
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Default Carrier track casting

I dug out one of the original SE (State Engineering Works) pattens, no 37 and 38 in a long sequence.
This is the "main guts" of the patten, there is also a plate guide and pin blocks, but it will give you an idea of the work that went into producing track links.
As I don't post pictures (don't ask) I'll send the images on to crankytank.
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Old 09-06-10, 05:53
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...the pics show both ends and sides...hope the pics are of interest...
Hi Ron,

Were you attaching some pics or have I just got my wires crossed?

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Old 09-06-10, 11:59
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Hi Alex, Sorry mate the computer would not let me send them yesterday so will try now
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Old 09-06-10, 12:05
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Alex just one more, this track sat in a shed for 53 years befor I got it
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Old 09-06-10, 12:09
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Hi Ian and thanks for posting that information regarding the track tests,they should make for very interesting reading, thanks mate Ron
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Old 09-06-10, 14:44
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Ron, are those shots of Australian pattern track or Can/Brit ? i have had a look at a couple of links in my pile and i cant see any maker marks or proof stamps, i will give them a clean up and see if i can find some.
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