Ford US trucks for RAF, Egypt

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Any ideas please what sort of US Fords would have been supplied to the RAF via Ford, Alexandria? 339 non-specialist units were ordered by December 1940 and then 189 3-ton tenders subsequently, by summer 1941. The Admiralty ordered 50 3-ton tippers and 50 3-ton chassis-cabs at much the same time. I have no knoweldge at all of RAF and RN trucks!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

David,

Only 3-ton Fords I can think of are the British Ford WOT1 6x4 and WOT6 4x4. Could also be those E98T/E91T/E987T/E917T 6x4's?

Are the ones you refer you to included in your list of Known British Ford S/M Contracts?

To spur the imagination - if anything! - I've included a picture of a 1942 model Ford truck. It's cab survives (only just) in the Libyan Desert. Amazingly, it still sports its roof roundel!

Regards,
Hanno



Picture source: http://www.fjexpeditions.com - make sure you read the interesting story on the The Kufra Convoys

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

No, thanks...the order would have been 1941 or perhaps 1942 US Fords. Was the Jailbar the '41 style?? If so then that's the sort of truck that the RAF would have had thanks very much indeed!

[Nigel Watson]

If the slatted grill Ford G8T in the picture is too late then perhaps the Fords would have been the 11T like mine...perhaps....maybe....possibly. The ones with the headlights on stalks on the wings and a conventional "V" shaped grill with vertical slats. Who knows? Not me I'm afraid David, this is new ground for me.

Nigel

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by David_Hayward
No, thanks...the order would have been 1941 or perhaps 1942 US Fords. Was the Jailbar the '41 style?? If so then that's the sort of truck that the RAF would have had thanks very much indeed!

David, the Jailbar Ford was a 1942 model, production of which started in 1941. Another Ford 3-tonner I can think of is the FC60L, similar to the CC60L, a type which was used extensively in the North African campaign.

Re-reading the section on the The Kufra Convoys at http://www.fjexpeditions.com/ , that Ford must be one of 41 Ford 30 cwts used by the Sudan Defence Force running the Halfa-Kufra route, reportedly one of the greatest logistical feats of WWII.

H.

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Thanks! I am conjecting on the Model C298TFS if Canadian-sourced or 298TFS if US-sourced although if 1941 Models, then the correct designation would be 198TFS not that I have ever come across any '1941' military Fords before.

Thanks!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by David_Hayward
Thanks! I am conjecting on the Model C298TFS if Canadian-sourced or 298TFS if US-sourced although if 1941 Models, then the correct designation would be 198TFS not that I have ever come across any '1941' military Fords before.

David,

Vanderveen's Fighting Vehicles Directory WWII lists the Ford E018T 1.5-ton 4x2 cargo truck under the USA section. This truck was assembled in England with British GS body, along with a similar-looking 15-cwt version (E01Y). These are just two of the "many militarised Ford 4x2 trucks which saw service in Africa".
Under the GB section I found the Fordson Sussex 817T (1938), E917T and 917T (1939) 3-ton 6x4 trucks, "mostly used by RAF".
The British Commonwealth section lists the Ford 01T 30-cwt 4x2 GS truck, "a militarised commercial 1940 type, widely used until about 1943". And of course the FC60L 3-ton 4x2 GS truck, also "widely used in North Africa".

Crismon's U.S. Military Wheeled Vehicles shows a picture of a Ford 1940-41 series 11T-80 1.5-ton 4x2 truck, "provided to many other nations, as well as the U.S.", plus of course the 1942 model G8T 1.5-ton 4x2 cargo truck.

That's about all I could find as possible contenders for those Ford US trucks supplied to the RAF and RN in Egypt. This forum could do with specialist knowledge on this subject!

Hanno

[Hanno Spoelstra]

From Vanderveen's The Observer's Fighting Vehicles Directory Word War II: "Truck, 3-ton, 4x2, GS (Ford FC60L): V-8-cyl., 95 bhp, 4F1R, wb 158 in, 261x88x122 in., 7925 lb. Modified Conventional Canadian 1942 type. 10.50-16 tyres. Two-speed rear axle. Widely used in North Africa."
The accompanying picture shows the FC60L with a 1942 Ford commercial truck cab and 3-ton GS truck body, and not having seen any other pictures of these MCP Fords, I thought they were all 1942 models. But now look what the cat dragged into the thread "Desert Wreck 4, FORD V3000": pictures of captured "Ford Kanada" trucks! These are 1940 or 1941 models, which puts them in the right timeframe for those Ford truck orders supplied to the RAF and RN in Egypt.
What do you think, David?

Regards,
Hanno




Source: Afrika Korps Galerie

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Hanno, I reckon you are on to something! The 1940 Models would have been technically C098TFS, whereas the British-assembled ones [S/M 2004 etc.] were EC098TFS, but as these were military orders they may not have bothered with a '1941' Model C198TFS and therefore the '1940' and '1941' Models were C098TFS, then for the jailbar grille 1942 this became the C298TFS. There was though a civilian C198T, and it seems the US 198T was also imported into Canada. That said the 11T 1 1/2 tonner was also available in Canada, possibly US-sourced and I query whether some 11Ts were exported as well? These would of course have the 1941 grille.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by David_Hayward
Hanno, I reckon you are on to something! The 1940 Models would have been technically C098TFS, whereas the British-assembled ones [S/M 2004 etc.] were EC098TFS, ...

David, good to hear it seems we are on the right track. What might help is if I increase my knowledge of the military designation system. I usually refer to this Ford & Mercury Model Identification Chart. Those civil designations should take me halfway there, as I assume the C098TFS is the Canadian version of the US 098-T (4x2 158"wb 1½ Ton Truck), correct? Any help in this is welcome.

See the Ford MCP trucks in the background of the attached picture (taken at the Ford Canada plant at Windsor, Ontario) - those must be C098TFS trucks.

Thanks,
Hanno

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

FORD MODEL NUMBERS
Dagenham-assembled but “W” for “War Department” prefixes. Diverted Romania orders had “R” prefixes, e.g. R01T
W0A1 Ford V-8 3.6 3-spd 9’ 0” saloon staff car
W0C1 Ford V-8 3.6 4-spd 9’ 4” 8-cwt.
W0A2 Ford V-8 3.6 3-spd 9’ 0” 4 door estate car
W0T2H Ford V-8 3.6 4-spd 8’ 10” 15-cwt. G.S. & Office bodies
W0T3 Ford V-8 3.6 4-spd 11’ 11” 30-cwt.
W0T6 Ford V-8 3.6 4-spd 11’ 11” 3-ton 4 x 4; Forward-Control
W0T8 Ford V-8 3.6 4-spd 11’ 11” 30-cwt. 4 x 4; Forward-Control
W0T9 Ford V-8 3.6 4-spd CAPLAD prototype rear-engined based on W0T6 chassis


WOT2 A GS infantry truck aeroscreens and a sheeted rear body (no tilt frame)
WOT2 B As the A model but with a tilt frame covered rear body referred to as a van body
WOT2 C evolution of the A model, but still with aeroscreens and other small changes.
WOT2 D as the B model, but with windscreen changes again. Still tilt frame and cover...
WOT2 E Infantry truck, fully enclosed cab and full windscreen, wooden body, tilt frame and cover.
WOT2 F As E but without the tilt frame and cover and with a steel body. Still titled infantry truck
WOT2 H Appears similar to the to the E model but possibly with out the tilt frame and cover.

CANADIAN-BUILT FORD VEHICLES
“C” prefixes indicated “Canada”, but “E” before the “C” indicated Dagenham-assembled

FORD (engines referred to as “Ford Mercury”): the official Ford model numbers changed in 1942 as shown.

Pre-1942 model numbers:
C01QF Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 11’ 2” 30-cwt. 4 x 4 Model F-30444 and F.30
C01QF Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 11’ 2” 3-ton 4 x 4 model F-60444 and F60S.
C010QF Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 13’ 4¼” 3-ton 6 x 4 F-60640-M and F60H
C011DF Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 8’ 5” 8-cwt. model F-8421 and F8
C011DQ Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd. 8’ 5” 8-cwt. model F-8441 and F8A
C011QF Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 8’ 5” 4 x 4 artillery tractor model F-60441 and F. -G.T
C011QRF Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 8’ 5” 4 x 4 REAR-ENGINED for India C191QRF [1941] Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 8’ 5” 4 x 4 REAR-ENGINED for India
C011WQF Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 8’ 5” 15-cwt. 4 x 4 model F-15441 and F15A
C018QF Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 13’ 2” 3-ton 4 x 4 model F-60448 and F60L
C098TFS Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 13’ 2” 3-ton model F-60428C and FC60L; this model was a modified civilian type
EC098TFS Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 3-ton original designation of C098TFS model F-60428-C and FC60L; this model was a modified civilian type assembled by Dagenham
C101WF Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 8’ 5” 15-cwt. model F-15421 and F15
C11ADF Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 9’ 6” Heavy Utility (4-door estate car) model numbers not given (possibly FHU421 and F8)

Where “C” = “Canada”; “E” = “England”; “R” = “Romania”; “0” = 1940 Model Year; “1” = engine type [85-bhp V-8] or “9” for 1941 with 95 b.h.p; “1” = wheelbase [101 inch]; “Q” four-wheel drive; “R” = rear-mounted engine’ “F” = right-hand drive.

Model numbers 1942 onwards:
C29ADF Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 9’ 6” 4 door estate (ex model C11ADF) model numbers not given (possibly FHU421 and F8)
C29Q Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 11’ 2” 30-cwt. 4 x 4; (ex model C01QF) model F-30444 and F30 AND ALSO F.60S?
C29QF Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 11’ 2” 30-cwt. 4 x 4 (A/A variant)
C290Q Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 13’ 4¼ “ 3-ton 6 x 4 (formerly C010QF) F60H
C291D Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 8’ 5” 8-cwt. (ex model C011DF) model F-8421 and F8
C291Q Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 8’ 5” 4 x 4 artillery tractor (ex model C011Q(F) model F60441 and F-GT
C291QH Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd. 8’ 5” 4 x 4 F.A.T. for Royal Engineers exported to India
C291QR(F) Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 8’ 5” 4 x 4 REAR-ENGINED central drive
C291W Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 8’ 5” 15-cwt. (ex model C101WF) model F-15421 and F15
C291WQ Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 8’ 5” 15-cwt. 4 x 4 (ex model C011WQF) model F-15441 and F15A
C291Q As C291WQ but without winch for India, etc. as “F.22” C291Q. L-W
C298QF Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 13’ 2” 3-ton 4 x 4 (ex model C018QF)
C298QFS (Special) Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 13’ 2” 3-ton 4 x 4 F60L for India
C298TFS Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 13’ 2” 3-ton (ex-model C098TFS) model F-60428C and FC60L; this model was a modified civilian type
C29WFS Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 11’ 2 ¼ ” 3-ton replaced model C298TFS in [1944?] and 1945 model F-60424M and F602S # 43 CAB
C298WFS Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 13’ 2” 3-ton replaced model C298TFS in [1944?] and 1945 model F-60428M and F602L # 13 CAB
C395Q Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 9’ 7” 6-ton 4 x 4 artic unit + trailer (non-detachable) model (none) and F60T
C39QB Ford V-8 3.9 4-spd 11’ 2” 3-ton 4 x 4 Bofors model (none) and F60B

U.S. l.h.d. Diverted order:
Ford 6 cyl. 3.7 4-spd. 158” w.b. 3-ton

GPW Ford GPW 1.9 3-spd 6’ 8” 5-cwt. 4 x 4 Jeep; original model

NOTE PLEASE: I have never seen any definitive description of the 1942-on F60S model designation and I believe that it was the same as the F30. If anyone knows the correct designation please let me know.

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Compare the differences between these two trucks...the top one is to S/M 2004 and is a EC098TFS. The bottom is a C098UFS and it has the 1940 style hood louvres. This was we can tell by its census number to S/M 2646, and thus a 1942 delivery IN THEORY, or at least a 1941 contract. Probably very similar to the earlier
EC098UFS CONTRACT S/M 2046 CODE VOK 3-TON DUMP TRUCK STEEL CLOSED TYPE CAB CANADIAN MODEL C098U 2-SPEED REAR AXLE 10.50 x 16 TYRES 158" w.b. STEEL FLOAT WITH HYDRAULIC TIPPING GEAR

I wonder if this was the sort of truck that was ordered for the London County Council and then taken over for airfield building work? It seems to suggest that the 1941 military trucks carried the 1940 front end.



I just noticed that the Afrika Corps truck looks very similar to the top one! I wonder if it was a similar truck, as sent out to Egypt..S/M 2037? This was for C60L, CC60LX2, F60L and I think C098TFS with a total of 6,847 trucks delivered by 30 June 1942, some of which went to Egypt!! I am pinning my suspicions on the captutred truck as being one of that contract.

To the list I should add another that I had forgotten about...the C196TFS!

EC196TFS Contract S/M 2048
CODE VOM 3-TON CHASSIS & STEEL CLOSED CAB MODE; C196T 2-SPEED REAR AXLE 7.50 x 20 TYRES 176" W.B.
DELIVERED TO CANADIAN FORESTRY CORPS.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by David_Hayward
FORD MODEL NUMBERS

Thanks David!
Also, discussing the C11ADF on the Old MLU Forum, we unearthed the following re. Ford model identification:

FORD TRUCK INSTRUCTION BOOK - Instructions on Maintenance and Repair of Ford Trucks Supplied to Defence Departments of the British Commonwealth (Third Edition). S.E. 29A.
This covers the following:
- C11AD 114" WB Truck Type Stn. Wagon - British War Dept.
- 21C 114" WB 1/2 Ton
- C21D 122" 3/4 Ton
- 21Y 122" WB One Ton
- 21T 134" WB Regular Truck
- C29T 134" WB Regular Truck
- C29W 134" C.O.E. - 3 Ton
- 218T 158" Regular truck
- 218W 158" WB C.O.E. Truck
- C298T 158" WB Regular Truck
- C298W 158" C.O.E. - 3 Ton
- C298TFS 158"WB British WD 3 Ton


Known Ford Station Wagon models:
- C11AD
- C11ADF
- C11AS
- C29ADF
in which:
C = Canadian design/production
1st digit = model year: '1' = 1941 model, '2' = 1942 model
2nd digit = engine type: '1' indicates the 85-hp engine, '9' the 95-hp engine
A = 4x2 car chassis with 114" (1941) or 118" wheelbase (1942)
D = unknown ('ruggedized' version with 9.00-13" tyres and heavier axles?)
F = right-hand drive
S = unknown (standard tyre size 6.00-16" as opposed to "D" model?)

[Alex van de Wetering]

Hanno,

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
See the Ford MCP trucks in the background of the attached picture (taken at the Ford Canada plant at Windsor, Ontario) - those must be C098TFS trucks.

You do not have a larger version of this picture, do you?
I am interested in the F60H's in the front.....

Alex

p.s. I have seen a small paperback on German Fords of WO2 once. This book showed several Fords and most of them carried the cabin as seen above. But, you could also see this cabin evolve during the war.....some strange grilles (above the normal grill in the front), simplified wheelarches, simplified wooden cab etc. The Germans probably produced this 1940 model Ford up til the end of WW2 for military use.
This is what I mean


Oh and this one:


Phew, Is this one ugly!

This is the source: http://www.autogallery.org.ru/gfordde.htm

Alex

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

11A SPECIAL V-8 FORDOR SEDAN
LC-424-C-PASS-1 6.00 x 16 4-DOOR SEDAN 114 IN. WHEELBASE
11A DELUXE V-8 FORDOR SEDAN 6.00 x 16 4-DOOR DELUXE SEDAN 114 IN. WHEELBASE
11A SUPER DELUXE V-8 FORDOR SEDAN 6.00 x 16 4-DOOR SUPER DE LUXE SEDAN 114 IN. WHEELBASE
C11AD 5-PASSENGER STATION WAGON SW424-C-5WAG 9.00 x 13 WOOD, SEDAN TYPE BODY WITH HEAVIER AXLES THAN C11AS AND LUGGAGE SPACE 114 IN. WHEELBASE
C11AS 7-PASSENGER STATION WAGON WITH ROOF RACK SW424-C-7WAG-1 6.00 x 16 WOOD, SEDAN TYPE BODY 114 IN. WHEELBASE

I wonder if "D" = "9.00 x 13 tyres" as it was used for the C11ADF and on the C011DF/EC011DF F8 and C011DQ F8A only, and they also had 9.00 x 13 tyres?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by David_Hayward
I just noticed that the Afrika Corps truck looks very similar to the top one! I wonder if it was a similar truck, as sent out to Egypt..S/M 2037? This was for C60L, CC60LX2, F60L and I think C098TFS with a total of 6,847 trucks delivered by 30 June 1942, some of which went to Egypt!! I am pinning my suspicions on the captutred truck as being one of that contract.

Yes, from what I can see in the picture the EC098TFS in your picture is the same type of truck as the captured ones in use with the Deutsches Afrika Korps. Like I suggested, these 1940/1941 models nicely fit those 1940-41 orders supplied to the RAF and RN in Egypt.

And what about that EC098UFS 3-Ton Dump Truck? I suspect that is the 3-ton tipper type of which the Admirality ordered 50.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted in FORD Wreck in the desert...:

Andras Zboray (www.fjexpeditions.com) wrote:

Though the mainstream of the convoys were Ford F30's, Maple Leaf Chevs and mack 6/10 tonners, "after August 1942 every possible vehicle had to be pressed into service to supply Kufra"

Earlier on in this thread, I assumed from reading http://www.fjexpeditions.com/ > The Kufra Convoys that the Ford truck remains must have been one of 41 Ford 30 cwts used by the Sudan Defence Force running the Halfa-Kufra route. From Andras' message I now understand these Ford 30-cwts were actually CMP F30's, not militarised conventional 1½-ton Fords. Therefore, the remains of the 1942 model Ford must also be one of those trucks used "after August 1942 [when] every possible vehicle had to be pressed into service to supply Kufra". The last remains of an elusive FC60L 3-ton truck?!?

[Kuno]

The "Ugly" Truck posted by Alex above might be of German production!

Compare the cabin with the one of the STEYR 1500 truck below.

To the end of the war, the Germans did not have much resources any more. They started to built even trucks with wooden cabins to save the metal for more important parts...

...the same ugly wooden cabin on a OPEL BLITZ:

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Hanno, I must look out for my 1942 British Ford lisitign again. I confirmed that there were indeed 6 x 4 Surrey and Sussex 6 x 4 conversions on the trucks that you mentioned, using C.C.C. components.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Ford C298TFS, C098TFS, F-60428C or FC60L?
Anyhow, nice picture of a great looking truck!


Source: Keith's ANZAC Day 2004 page 2

[Bill Murray]

A few strays.

[Nigel Watson]

Originally posted by David_Hayward
Hanno, I reckon you are on to something! The 1940 Models would have been technically C098TFS, whereas the British-assembled ones [S/M 2004 etc.] were EC098TFS, but as these were military orders they may not have bothered with a '1941' Model C198TFS and therefore the '1940' and '1941' Models were C098TFS, then for the jailbar grille 1942 this became the C298TFS. There was though a civilian C198T, and it seems the US 198T was also imported into Canada. That said the 11T 1 1/2 tonner was also available in Canada, possibly US-sourced and I query whether some 11Ts were exported as well? These would of course have the 1941 grille.

Some observations which may or may not add to this great debate.

I have a couple of manuals for these trucks. TM-10-1139 which is Maintenance Manual for Ford Truck 1 1/2ton 4x2 built for US Government Model 11T-80 Contract No. W-398-QM-10612 dated 20 Feb 1942 with this picture

The other is TM-10-1347 Maintenance Manual for Ford Truck 1 1/2ton 4x2 built for US Government Model G8T Contract No. W-2425-QM-655 and W-374-ORD-2865 dated 15 June 1943 with this picture

Some other pictures follow.

Nigel

[Nigel Watson]

Some other pictures which might help!!


Love this picture.

One thing I have noticed but which may not matter is the hood (bonnet) chrome work changes. Sometimes it is the flat shape over the bonnet nose and others its the rib type as in the picture above. The rib type seems to be the earlier I think according to brochures. Windscreen wipers also moved from below the windscreen to above it, presumably when the opening front windscreen was fitted. Front mudguards also are different and seem particular to country of manufacture. US and Canada seem to have what I call the full curve, Germany is more like the dodge, no side curve with a short running board, Australia has a cut away curved front and less side curve, India well, who knows!!! and South Africa I dinna ken!

Nigel

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

As a result of a re-think over my thesis, I have been writing new texts about the re-location of Ford and GM assembly operations in the late autumn/early winter of 1940 in England.

Basically, all CANADIAN order Fords which were 1940 Models with one exception..see below...and they were assembled in Southampton or Dagenham, and then from December 1940 in Citroen Cars' plant in Slough, Buckinghamshire as it was then.

The BRITISH order Fords were sourced from the USA, as diverted ex-French orders or diverted Romanian orders [R01T] and Canada. The US trucks obviously became either E- or W- prefixed but the Canadian trucks which were imported as C-prefixed vehicles were assembled in Dagenham or Ripple Lane, Barking, and were then 'Anglicised' as they were Ministry of Supply contracts to become EC-prefixed.

The exception to British orders for 1940 Canadian trucks was a M of S contract to purchase and assemble C196T 176" wb trucks to S/M 2048, which were then issued [sold] to the Canadian Government for use by the Canadian Forestry Corps for their use in the essential timber production.

The British therefore in theory until 1942 only had 1939, 1940 and one 1941 Model. So, what about post-1940 Models to British order? The answer is I believe that these were not assembled by Ford, Dagenham, or in the Cardington airship building [Jeeps], and rather were assembled by various dealers under M of S contract as Auxiliary Workshops thus were never allocated 'E' prefixes before the Canadian C-prefixed model number. So what did Dagenham do then? I gather that they mainly concentrated on Carrier production plus engines. That may explain why there are virtually no post-1940 truck assembly photos in the archives of Dagenham assembly operations compared with piles of Carriers!

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

The bottom British truck is a EC098T 3-tonner to S/M 2004 or V.4214 and is a IWM Kidbrooke photo. The top one is a Mid-East allocation number I think. Is it a cut-down stores truck with tilt? If so then it's the same model.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by David_Hayward
C291Q As C291WQ but without winch for India, etc. as “F.22” C291Q. L-W

David, is this entry based on the observations made on my webpage Ford's 1945 C291Q model - the "F22"? ?
If not, I'd like to hear what additional information you have as I've not seen any evidence of these chassis being shipped to India.

Thanks,
Hanno

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Hanno, never found any other information. However as my file is fluid and flexible it gets updated and amended as new info comes in..only this week we found another Australian Ford contract.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by David_Hayward
Hanno, never found any other information. However as my file is fluid and flexible it gets updated and amended as new info comes in..

In that case, may I suggest you alter the entry as follows:

"C291Q: as C291WQ but without winch for UK, possibly AUS, as C291Q. L-W with full cab"

Just trying to keep your file from becoming too flexible

H.

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Thank you Mr S...I have amended my file.

I have decided that I am going to at last write to Sandra Notarianni at Ford of Canada and ask her for details of all known wartime Canadian Fords. She of course sent me the F8A photos.

[Bill Murray]

Pic: At least it does say RAF on the door so it may qualify for your search.

Plus some more