Help with Carrier ID

Lynn Eades · #1 05-02-10, 00:57

If you go back to my last post, and look at the image. It is from the Chilwell catalogue No.63/63 Jan 43.
Of course this workshop manual is for British carriers.
Your material on page 210, lists all Canadian Mk1 and Mk2 universals, as No.3.I believe they No2
I am confused. From the British manuals, a No3 is 95 hp, but you are telling me that a No.3 means a Canadian built engine of 85hp. ...... No bloody wonder people get confused!
Nigel, you've done a lot of research. Can you clarify?

Neil Ashley · #2 05-02-10, 09:48

Nigel

Presumably you cannot add any further clarification to the serial number question?

Nigel Watson · #3 05-02-10, 14:51

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Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

If you go back to my last post, and look at the image. It is from the Chilwell catalogue No.63/63 Jan 43.
Of course this workshop manual is for British carriers.
Your material on page 210, lists all Canadian Mk1 and Mk2 universals, as No.3.I believe they No2
I am confused. From the British manuals, a No3 is 95 hp, but you are telling me that a No.3 means a Canadian built engine of 85hp. ...... No bloody wonder people get confused!
Nigel, you've done a lot of research. Can you clarify?

Hi Lynn
The Illustrated Parts List for Universal Carriers dated 1945 Chilwell 63/76 under Identification of Vehicle Types show all No. 3 Carriers across the whole range of carriers as the C01UC-6097 unit. All the engines mentioned in this Parts List under Identification of Engine Types are 85bhp with the C01UC-6097 being fitted as the standard engine to MkI*, 3"Mortar and 2prAT (presumably because these were all based on the MkI*. Could it be a misprint? Is your manual British or British but for Australian/New Zealand use perhaps? It is for carriers and not trucks etc? More research called for I reckon.

Anyone else have any observations/thoughts?

Neil sorry still can't crack the Serial No. to Hull Numbers to WD Number link. Still hopeful to come across something.

Nigel

Neil Ashley · #4 05-02-10, 15:15

It was the conflicting T numbers for contract S/M1349 which I was wondering about.

I don't know what source you used for your book.

"On the Bovington list serial numbers T178800-T181058 are allocated to contract S/M 1349 which is listed as being for Windsor Carriers. Having said this all the contracts listed immeadiately prior to this cover both Windsors and Universals so perhaps a mistake was made on the list".

"Unfortunately in Nigels book Contract S/M 1349 is listed as having serial numbers T28149?-T286848. I could not immeadiately see your number in Nigels book but I assume you have a copy to check".

Nigel Watson · #5 05-02-10, 18:44

At the back of my mind I knew I had seen something about a No.2 MkII* and as I was looking at Volume 2, there it was a carrier id plate with Universal Carrier No.2 MkII*. Assuming this was fixed to a carrier and not a mock up, Canada produced carriers fitted with the American made V8. Having just found that I came across my reference for engine types. Neither of these contradict each other but simply say Canada produced carriers fitted with Canadian made V8s as well as American and hence the Carriers Nomenclature altered. England did the same so Ron if your MkII* has an American V8 you can call it a No.2 MkII* if you like!!!!

Nigel

Nigel Watson · #6 05-02-10, 19:20

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Originally Posted by Neil Ashley

It was the conflicting T numbers for contract S/M1349 which I was wondering about.

I don't know what source you used for your book.

"On the Bovington list serial numbers T178800-T181058 are allocated to contract S/M 1349 which is listed as being for Windsor Carriers. Having said this all the contracts listed immeadiately prior to this cover both Windsors and Universals so perhaps a mistake was made on the list".

"Unfortunately in Nigels book Contract S/M 1349 is listed as having serial numbers T28149?-T286848. I could not immeadiately see your number in Nigels book but I assume you have a copy to check".

Hi Neil
My source for the WD Nos and subsequent Contract Nos. come from a Bovington Document entitled Schedule of Allocation of WD Numbers to AFV Contracts by Chilwell dated August 1944 Chilwell Ref: 215.14. Which Bovington List do you refer to?

What is interesting is that it states T178800-183799 was for Universal Carriers to Contract S/M 1349 placed with Loyd! I have a note to say that this Contract was originally placed with Ford and then changed to Loyd (Can't find the source of the note at the moment). However CT179405 is a Canadian built Carrier with Serial No. 24753 and Upper Hull 179405? and Lower Hull 23773 (Again I have it as a note against this Contract but can't find its source either. Belongs to someone we know I feel! Anyone?). I wonder if a certain amount were produced by Ford before the Contract was placed with Loyd?

The reason you couldn't find the numbers in my book is most likely because you were looking under Commonwealth Production. They are under UK Production because of the Contract being placed with Loyd latterly.

We'll all sort this out one way or another.

Nigel

Ledsel · #7 06-02-10, 04:39

Mine is a No.2 MKII* and its original. BUT I don't know if it has a Yankie engine and I can't look because it's in the shed at the farm. I don't think it says made in Canada on the head.

Lynn Eades · #8 07-02-10, 10:39

Heres some pictures of the manual. Its obviously a British Carrier manual, with no references to N.Z.

Ron Pier · #9 07-02-10, 11:25

Likewise I need a spare hour or so to get in my engine bay. From memory I'm sure I saw MADE IN USA on one of the heads?? I'm heavily into a couple of other projects in the shed at present. But I really want to check the numbers and confirm what I have got. It seems to have been an issue worth talking about though. Thanks for the comments chaps. Ron

Nigel Watson · #10 07-02-10, 22:21

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Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

Heres some pictures of the manual. Its obviously a British Carrier manual, with no references to N.Z.

Hi Lynn
Thanks for posting the manuals. They seem to describe carriers in a totally different way, very interesting. I wonder if they standardised things later, after your manual? Here is where I got info from.

I wonder what is in the Service Instruction Book for Carriers...Chilwell 63/53? I don't have a copy, anyone?

Have also noticed the description of a MkI having a step on the side.

Nigel